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Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chamber) Thread 3

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nauticant · 14/09/2022 13:56

The Tribunal started on 9 September, witness testimony started on 12 September.

To obtain access to view the proceedings, send a request email to [email protected] about case CA/2021/0013 - Mermaids vs Charity Commissioner and LGB Alliance and ask for permission to join. You then have to provide certain information and agree to a judge's direction in order to be able to join.

There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets.

Abbreviations:

J or judge: Presiding Judge, Judge Lynn Griffin
AJ or Judge: Assisted by Judge Joe Neville
MG: Mermaids counsel is Michael Gibbon KC
KM: LGB Alliance counsel is Karon Monaghan KC
AR: Karon is assisted by Akua Reindorf
IS: Charity Commission counsel is Iain Steele

(Also the witnesses, PR: Paul Roberts, JN: John Nicolson. BB: Belinda Bell, BJ: Beverley Jackson, KH: Kate Harris, and EG: Eileen Gallagher.)

Thread 1: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4629679-mermaids-versus-lgb-alliance-in-court-today
Thread 2: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632780-mermaids-vs-lgb-alliance-and-charity-commissioner-first-tier-tribunal-general-regulatory-chameber-thread-2
Thread 3: ongoing

Witnesses for the applicant (Mermaids):

Paul Roberts - CEO of LGBT Consortium (12 September)
John Nicolson MP - Deputy Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Global LGBT+ Rights (13 September)
Dr Belinda Bell - Chair of trustees of Mermaids (13 September)

Witnesses for the respondent (LGB Alliance):

Beverley Jackson - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (13-14 September)
Kate Harris - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (14-15 September)
Eileen Gallagher OBE - Chair of trustees of LGB Alliance (15 September)

Witness Statements:

Paul Roberts: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Paul-Roberts-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
John Nicolson MP - lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/John-Nicolson-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Dr Belinda Bell: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Belinda-Bell-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Beverley Jackson: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Bev-Jackson-Witness-Statement-Exhibits-1.pdf
Kate Harris: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Kate-Harris-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Eileen Gallagher (two statements): lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Eileen-Gallagher-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Eileen-Gallagher-Second-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf

Submissions:

lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Volume-4-Submissions-CA.2021.0013.pdf

(Header format follows the gold standard established by @ickky)

post updated by MNHQ at OP's request

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 07/11/2022 10:08

Jolly good. 👍🏻

nauticant · 07/11/2022 10:08

About 80 waiting in the lobby.

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chilling19 · 07/11/2022 10:08

Still waiting too

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 07/11/2022 10:09

People are being individually let in and muted.

Chrysanthemum5 · 07/11/2022 10:10

We don't have the bundle do we?

RocketPanda · 07/11/2022 10:10

I can't use twitter in work so relying on you lovely lot.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 07/11/2022 10:10

Thanks @nauticant

nauticant · 07/11/2022 10:10

If you look at the observers you'll see that unlike before all of those let in have given their full names, with either initial or forename given.

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Chrysanthemum5 · 07/11/2022 10:11

MG (Mermaids counsel) is going over what the aim of the hearing is - I think he's asking to put in new evidence?

ickky · 07/11/2022 10:13

Didn't the Judge explicitly say no more evidence?

Chrysanthemum5 · 07/11/2022 10:14

Yes I may have misunderstood - I find the legal discussions confusing

WallaceinAnderland · 07/11/2022 10:14

I think he's saying they need to look at what the charitable aims were, not what the charity actually does.

nauticant · 07/11/2022 10:15

I missed the start but isn't MG simply going through the relevant authorities the court should have regard to in making its decision?

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FannyCann · 07/11/2022 10:15

Chrysanthemum5 · 07/11/2022 10:11

MG (Mermaids counsel) is going over what the aim of the hearing is - I think he's asking to put in new evidence?

New evidence? There has been lots of new evidence in the weeks since the original hearing, and none of it is likely to be helpful. 🤷‍♀️

Ameanstreakamilewide · 07/11/2022 10:15

Anyone else still waiting?

LipbalmOrKnickers · 07/11/2022 10:16

I'm still waiting

FusilliFettler · 07/11/2022 10:16

Yes I’m still waiting

chilling19 · 07/11/2022 10:16

Ok in!

CuntAmongstThePigeons · 07/11/2022 10:17

In still waiting to be let in.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 07/11/2022 10:17

Nice chilling - you give me hope!

Chrysanthemum5 · 07/11/2022 10:18

Sh do the challenge is to what the LGBA does rather than what it's aims say it will do

WallaceinAnderland · 07/11/2022 10:18

50 still waiting to be let in

dworky · 07/11/2022 10:20

Waiting impatiently 🙂

Ameanstreakamilewide · 07/11/2022 10:21

Me too, dworky.

taps foot on floor

LipbalmOrKnickers · 07/11/2022 10:21

Same.

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