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Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chamber) Thread 3

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nauticant · 14/09/2022 13:56

The Tribunal started on 9 September, witness testimony started on 12 September.

To obtain access to view the proceedings, send a request email to [email protected] about case CA/2021/0013 - Mermaids vs Charity Commissioner and LGB Alliance and ask for permission to join. You then have to provide certain information and agree to a judge's direction in order to be able to join.

There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets.

Abbreviations:

J or judge: Presiding Judge, Judge Lynn Griffin
AJ or Judge: Assisted by Judge Joe Neville
MG: Mermaids counsel is Michael Gibbon KC
KM: LGB Alliance counsel is Karon Monaghan KC
AR: Karon is assisted by Akua Reindorf
IS: Charity Commission counsel is Iain Steele

(Also the witnesses, PR: Paul Roberts, JN: John Nicolson. BB: Belinda Bell, BJ: Beverley Jackson, KH: Kate Harris, and EG: Eileen Gallagher.)

Thread 1: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4629679-mermaids-versus-lgb-alliance-in-court-today
Thread 2: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632780-mermaids-vs-lgb-alliance-and-charity-commissioner-first-tier-tribunal-general-regulatory-chameber-thread-2
Thread 3: ongoing

Witnesses for the applicant (Mermaids):

Paul Roberts - CEO of LGBT Consortium (12 September)
John Nicolson MP - Deputy Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Global LGBT+ Rights (13 September)
Dr Belinda Bell - Chair of trustees of Mermaids (13 September)

Witnesses for the respondent (LGB Alliance):

Beverley Jackson - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (13-14 September)
Kate Harris - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (14-15 September)
Eileen Gallagher OBE - Chair of trustees of LGB Alliance (15 September)

Witness Statements:

Paul Roberts: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Paul-Roberts-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
John Nicolson MP - lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/John-Nicolson-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Dr Belinda Bell: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Belinda-Bell-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Beverley Jackson: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Bev-Jackson-Witness-Statement-Exhibits-1.pdf
Kate Harris: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Kate-Harris-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Eileen Gallagher (two statements): lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Eileen-Gallagher-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Eileen-Gallagher-Second-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf

Submissions:

lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Volume-4-Submissions-CA.2021.0013.pdf

(Header format follows the gold standard established by @ickky)

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 14/09/2022 14:38

JG - going to rise for 5-10 minutes to have a proper look at the SM post.

Ooh, i hope she uses strong words to rebuke the GLP.

Signalbox · 14/09/2022 14:38

Is the tweet / video still up?

crabbyoldbat · 14/09/2022 14:39

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/09/2022 14:36

GLP has posted a Susie Green video that seems to comment contemporaneously on yesterday's proceedings??

Oops - naughty!

And thanks for the non-crashy thread, nauticant

ickky · 14/09/2022 14:39

You would think MG would advise his client to not post anything while the court case is ongoing. Obviously he should have to, it is obvious but maybe some it needs to be spelled out.

WallaceinAnderland · 14/09/2022 14:39

IcakethereforeIam · 14/09/2022 14:29

Are the last two mm or Lgba?

LGBA

Ameanstreakamilewide · 14/09/2022 14:39

If SG has so much to bloody say about the subject, why didn't she put herself forward to give evidence and formally offer her tuppence-worth??

Olderbadger1 · 14/09/2022 14:39

Surely not chilling...

Pyjamagame · 14/09/2022 14:40

very much still up twitter.com/Mermaids_Gender

Very naughty and stoopid.

crabbyoldbat · 14/09/2022 14:40

still up
twitter.com/GoodLawProject/status/1569712404774125573

if anyone knows how to archive, now might be the time

WallaceinAnderland · 14/09/2022 14:41

At least it's a live action example of what LGBA are up against.

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 14/09/2022 14:41

I mean, I admired Allison Bailey and Ben Cooper (didn't see Maya Forstater give evidence) but Bev Jackson is an absolute phenomenon.

chilling19 · 14/09/2022 14:41

Olderbadger1 · 14/09/2022 14:39

Surely not chilling...

I know, I am astounded 😂

FigRollsAlly · 14/09/2022 14:42

Thanks all for keeping us updated.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 14/09/2022 14:42

ickky · 14/09/2022 14:39

You would think MG would advise his client to not post anything while the court case is ongoing. Obviously he should have to, it is obvious but maybe some it needs to be spelled out.

We don’t know he didn’t

Doesn’t mean they listen.

The barrister has to work with what they have by way of evidence, witnesses and clients.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 14/09/2022 14:43

Do MM or the GLP have a professional bone in their body??

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 14/09/2022 14:44

It’s reminiscent of Haddock’s article in the brightly coloured paper during his hearing

LaughingPriest · 14/09/2022 14:44

It would really be a blow if Susie Green herself bowled up, sacked her legal counsel and represented MM herself. It would be terrible. I really hope she doesn't do that as it would really pwn the gender-criticals.... <hopeful face>

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 14/09/2022 14:45

It would really be a blow if Susie Green herself bowled up, sacked her legal counsel and represented MM herself. It would be terrible.

Wouldn't it just? 😆

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 14/09/2022 14:46

(Btw I am a whole thread late but thank you for the gibbon, nauticant!)

WildIris · 14/09/2022 14:46

Thank you for the new thread.

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 14/09/2022 14:47

Thank you everyone for updating, I can't get on Twitter or keep up so I appreciate it too!

I am unsurprised by any of SG's antics.

MrsMidClegs · 14/09/2022 14:47

thanks Nauticant and HopeMumsnet for the new thread!

PicturesOfDogs · 14/09/2022 14:47

The archive on archive.ph doesn’t seem to play the media.
I’m not an expert though, assuming there are other websites?

nauticant · 14/09/2022 14:48

It's the best gibbon I've seen SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket.

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