Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chameber) Thread 2

[nauticant]

The Tribunal started on 9 September, witness testimony started on 12 September.

There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets.

To obtain access to view the proceedings, send a request email to [email protected] about case CA/2021/0013 - Mermaids vs Charity Commissioner and LGB Alliance and ask for permission to join. You then have to provide certain information and agree to a judge's direction in order to be able to join.

Abbreviations:

J or judge: Presiding Judge, Judge Lynn Griffin
AJ or Judge: Assisted by Judge Joe Neville
MG: Mermaids counsel is Michael Gibbon KC
KM: LGB Alliance counsel is Karon Monaghan KC
AR: Karon is assisted by Akua Reindorf
IS: Charity Commission counsel is Iain Steele

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4629679-mermaids-versus-lgb-alliance-in-court-today
Thread 2: ongoing

Witnesses for the applicant (Mermaids):

Paul Roberts - CEO of LGBT Consortium (12 September)
John Nicolson MP - Deputy Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Global LGBT+ Rights (13 September)
Dr Belinda Bell - Chair of trustees of Mermaids (?? September)

Witnesses for the respondent (LGB Alliance):

Beverley Jackson - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Kate Harris - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Eileen Gallagher OBE - Chair of trustees of LGB Alliance (?? September)

Witness Statements:

Paul Roberts: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Paul-Roberts-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
John Nicolson MP - Not yet available
Dr Belinda Bell: Not yet available
Beverley Jackson: Not yet available
Kate Harris: Not yet available
Eileen Gallagher: Not yet available

Submissions:

lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Volume-4-Submissions-CA.2021.0013.pdf

(Header format follows the gold standard established by @ickky)

The Pediatrics article that has been completely dismissed as nonsense?
jessesingal.substack.com/p/the-new-study-on-rapid-onset-gender

If that is the best bit of research she's heard of, then she is stuffed...

Ahh, that fits, it was published in August like BB said and MG dismissed criticism of it by characterising the criticism as something like coming from "a blog".

That Benji gasp! It needs its own meme. Or a gif.

A gasping gif. Anyone know how to do it?

tenor.com/view/benjamin-butterworth-buttergasp-gasp-bigotry-butterworth-gif-22921287

Commonly known as a Buttergasp.

Thanks for these threads OP, because of work (stupid work!) I won't get a chance to follow this live, but can check in for updates during the day. I really miss the camaraderie and humour of the Allison Bailey threads, so will enjoy this week!

Also, if anyone wants to donate to LGBA to defend the nonsense, they haven't yet reached their target.

Not as good without a sound though, such a classic clip that, like PP vs Harrop or 'repent motherfucker'

Hmm, is BB only interested in that article purely because it's rubbish?

I do struggle in this upside down world I'm obliged to inhabit. And reading about these proceedings has me even more puzzled. I wonder what delights tomorrow will bring.

Also @ImNotAnExpert you seem to be an expert in sulking, which is definitely more of an expert in anything than the first witless witness!

Thanks all for the comments and the updates, sadly can't watch, but TT and this thread give an excellent flavour

It was criticised in the Wall Street Journal too (opinion page, but the opinion of ‘medical people’).

www.wsj.com/articles/the-american-academy-of-pediatrics-dubious-transgender-science-jack-turban-research-social-contagion-gender-dysphoria-puberty-blockers-uk-11660732791

Response letter from AAP:

www.wsj.com/articles/trans-gender-transition-medical-affirming-therapy-hormone-surgery-aap-children-kids-11661207649

response from original opinion writers:

www.wsj.com/articles/trans-gender-pediatric-aap-kids-children-care-surgery-affirm-treatment-11660942086

And then some more letters and back and forth:

www.wsj.com/articles/trans-gender-transition-medical-surgery-hormones-affirm-therapy-conversion-academy-pediatrics-aap-11661289032

related (earlier) article by Abigail Shrier: www.wsj.com/articles/pediatric-association-gender-dysphoria-children-transgender-cancel-culture-11628540553

there may be more letters too, WSJ has (finally!) been hosting a debate! Albeit low key in the letters page.

(you can get past any subscription only blocks by searching the listed urls on archive.ph )

Thanks nauticant!

That gasp is worth a gasp of its own. One could get trapped in a reaction gasp cycle.

'Repent motherfucker':
https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/qcjtuh/womanshakesstambourinewhileeyelling_repent/

PP v Harrop:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HzQXi0MTX6k

if anyone missed these

Oh such jewels of bat shittery. How do they do it?

Thank you LK1972 - 'repent motherfucker' is a classic.

I rarely comment here anymore. Perhaps it is an echo chamber of GC insight but that’s because the gender quackery has no argument. All they have had is close down all debate and cancel.

I know what’s happening is important. It’s important to women and the definition of sexuality and rights but also to freedoms away from institutional capture and freedom of speech, lobbying and how our entire democracy works.

However, a sense of humour is something I associate with GC liberals rather than captured TRAs and my favourite comment is not new.

Saying LGBA is anti trans is the same as saying The Dog’s Trust is anti cat. For some reason this really resonates with me and brings a little smile!

These quotes are terrifying. They believe this stuff because someone is obviously teaching them this stuff. Because no one is correcting them.

Once again - how has it got this far?

Just caught up on this thread, thank you all for the commentary it was very entertaining. The case is insane!

KM is a force to be reckoned with, I am so pleased to have her on my legal team.

Terfs

You’re welcome

Flipping heck, I haven’t heard the phrase “on the sly” for a while. Pretty apt there though.

I won’t get chance to watch any of the tribunal tomorrow, so thanks in advance for the excellent (and often hilarious) commentary.

Saying LGBA is anti trans is the same as saying The Dog’s Trust is anti cat. For some reason this really resonates with me and brings a little smile!

Love this 😀

Thank you for this thread, caught up at last. Cripes!

I can't believe they give him airtime, that was such a fake gasp.

This was better

Did you click the link? Another poster did and had the same feeling as me.