Barclays criticised for advert that shows transgender woman receiving financial advice so she can fund surgery to give her 'big t***'

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Barclays criticised for advert that shows transgender woman receiving financial advice so she can fund surgery to give her 'big t*'

By Sam Merriman For The Mail On Sunday

02:01, 04 Sep 2022 , updated 02:01, 04 Sep 2022

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11177491/Barclays-ad-shows-transgender-woman-receiving-financial-advice-fund-big-t.html

The bank has teamed up with Channel 4 for a series of 'authentic' TV adverts

Luna, a 30-year-old transgender woman, wants advice on saving for surgery

She details how she is transitioning from male to female but her goal is surgery

As well as there only being a very small group who actually had the surgeries 12.8% vs 59.2% of people 'wanting' the surgeries, where is the data for those people who DIDN'T want surgeries? The 27.9% seems to be missing? How did they compare? Now that would be interesting to see. Do you have it?

The biggest issue in my mind though, did you notice then that those having those surgeries still reported significant distress levels. All the while they have been more likely to have also received counselling AND they still have significant distress levels.

Did they investigate why?

Because we also know from both detransitioners, and transitioners and their clinicians that a great deal of distress is still caused by surgeries going poorly and discovering that these surgeries have not helped at all.

Where are the statistics for those transitioners?

Have they then included anything about them? We know from a study done in Europe that 8-9% of medically treated transitioners up to 2017 detransitioned after medical treatments.

That is a pretty significant % to include in this study.

What also causes me concern in regard to this study, is that it does not include the significant latest cohort of young transitioners - that bump after 2015 that is the majority of young female transitioners.

So, in effect, it is not as relevant to today's transitioners.

The conclusion drawn by this study is looking weaker than you would like it to be.

You have a few times posted a discredited 'Yale' study recently. I don't think you understand that any university who may have a laxness in review can allow errors to happen.

"It's not healthy for her."

That's your view, it's not hers and it's her body to go with as she pleases. It's this little thing called freedom.

Oh dear....

Did you even read it?

Did you just look at the title and the university and think... yes... this will do nicely!

Read all the fucking study you posted. Are you unable to post anything with honesty?

You don't seem to even be an expert on reading the first paragraphs of a study you posted.

1998 is a very long time ago considering changes to society and culture all over the world.

Also did you not understand the phrase ‘uncontrolled follow up studies’?

For studies to be valid and reliable control is very important.

Oh dear.....

AGAIN.... do you not read what you even post in flippancy?

The study you have posted numerous times across numerous threads and have only just stopped doing so, was from Richard Branstrom (The Karolinska Institute) and John E. Pachankis from YALE.

ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2020.1778correction

Dear me..

Your dishonesty just keeps on going, doesn't it.

Surely smoking cessation is purely, well, because they’ve had surgery?

London Transgender Clinic say in their FAQs:
You will be required to agree to give up smoking for a minimum of 3 weeks before and 6 weeks following your GCS. Male to Female GCS, GRS is a complex Plastic Surgical procedure and smoking increases your risk of wound infection by 40% and Deep Vein Thrombosis as well as chest infection. Smoking delays wound healing and compromises your results.

Having to stop smoking before & after surgery (obviously not before it if it’s an emergency!) is completely usual; & some patients will never resume smoking.

Just being prescribed cross-sex hormones makes trans women (much less so trans men) much more likely to quit smoking. In the UK, the NHS’ GIC advice for GPs on supporting trans patients is very clear smoking is simply not an option if they wish to take cross-sex hormones:
It is of paramount importance that you urge your patient to quit smoking. Anyone seeking hormone therapy (likewise for surgery) must have completely quit smoking for 3 months, due to increased cardiovascular and thromboembolic disease risks. We will not endorse hormones for anyone that is smoking and may have to stop or reduce therapy if they return to smoking.

So any attempt to suggest that the smoking cessation after having surgery of this sort is due to feeling happier/being less anxious/no longer needing the social crutch or indeed anything other than “some of a group who REALLY shouldn’t be smoking in the first place stopped smoking after having surgery as is very common” is… dubious, to put it politely.

who by their own admission is "not an expert" in this matter.

In what matter? Understanding how quantitative research is carried out? By the way, I did not even look at a) the collection mechanic they used to collect the data (not published.... what a shame) or b) the original selection of the target market.

Maybe you could post those so we can see them and evaluation them?

Plus, would you like to tell us YOUR qualifications in this matter?

Thanks Nitro. I knew there was another reason for the shaky data. I think many of us have dissected this study before. Obviously, not hearache though.

Isn't this advert insulting to transwomen too? If Barclays want to be inclusive and diverse they could have shown a TW saving up for a car, or studying or to take a family member on a special holiday to thank them for their support through transition. Saving up because 'I want big t*ts' is the problem, whoever is saying it.

It's stunningly tone deaf in every way.

I mean, I am very happy to go back and find the dates you posted the study, if it helps...

But... nah... I don't need to. Enough people have posted lately stating that they can see your dishonest posts and those where you personally attack other posters.

My friend could not get Barclays to agree to refinancing her small business loan when she experienced supply chain challenges in the wake of Brexit.

She ended up going bust, putting her two employees out of work.

But Barclays is apparently willing to lend money to this person for big tits, so that's OK then I suppose.

That's your view, it's not hers and it's her body to go with as she pleases. It's this little thing called freedom.

Of course she has the freedom do as she pleases with her her body. People have freedom to smoke too. The question is whether Barclays and Channel 4 should have the freedom to put her doing it in an advert, and the ASA and the general public may well conclude that they shouldn't.

Barclays is apparently willing to lend money to this person for big tits, so that's OK then I suppose.

It's not a loan. It's a savings goal.

No empathy as to what it's like to be a woman in a world that objectifies us daily.

“No empathy as to what it's like to be a woman in a world that objectifies us daily.”

Absolutely. But we are actual women with a real woman’s lived reality so that’s a bit dull and no one gives a shit. Only trans women count. Because they see “big tits” as an ultimate existential goal and what is more fun than that?

£16k for a pair of tits? How big are they going to be and what are they made of?

Mine didn't cost anywhere near that much!

Absolutely @UWhatNow

We're not humans, simply an identity and set of attributes that can be donned at will.

I'm confused.

I already have big tits.

What am I supposed to save up for?

Thanks for the link to ASA, I will complain. I've been really careful about the language used around the word breasts to my daughters. This is the knockers McCains chips advert all over again.
I'm with Barclays so will be closing my account too. They can get lost with their sexist language.

Is this really Barclays audience though? It just doesn’t seem good business. People with savings and interested in savings are on whole going to be a bit older (and also have lots of money that Barclays want to get hold of) and are not going to be impressed by anyone talking about tits.

I put the lack of thought about the Barclays messaging beyond the superficial in line with the messaging that this Piss protest conveys.

I know that some extreme activists think this was 'artistic' and really got the message across.... but what message is a male in a fancy dress with a semi erection clearly seen is pouring urine over themselves wearing a duck face in protest about not being able to access female single sex spaces?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4628118-protest-at-ehrc-hq?page=1

I think it is another 'winning' formula.