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Barclays criticised for advert that shows transgender woman receiving financial advice so she can fund surgery to give her 'big t***'

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ScreamingMeMe · 04/09/2022 14:05

Barclays criticised for advert that shows transgender woman receiving financial advice so she can fund surgery to give her 'big t*'

By Sam Merriman For The Mail On Sunday

02:01, 04 Sep 2022 , updated 02:01, 04 Sep 2022

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11177491/Barclays-ad-shows-transgender-woman-receiving-financial-advice-fund-big-t.html

The bank has teamed up with Channel 4 for a series of 'authentic' TV adverts

Luna, a 30-year-old transgender woman, wants advice on saving for surgery

She details how she is transitioning from male to female but her goal is surgery

OP posts:
Helleofabore · 05/09/2022 17:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/09/2022 17:07

I've already posted how McCain had to take down their advert with "Bagachipz" because of a reaction to similar objectification of what being a woman means.

yes.

The John Lewis ad with the boy got trashed too for similarly not looking at it from all different interpretations and sub messaging.

Helleofabore · 05/09/2022 17:15

I mean, the classics in the textbooks are : McDonalds Ronald McDonald in Japan and Pepsi "Come alive with the Pepsi Generation" in China, and Nestle advertising formula in some African nations.

But... yes... ALL publicity is good publicity.

So, bring on the full scale ad campaign with the tagline 'I'm a transgender woman. And I want big tits.'

Ofcourseshecan · 05/09/2022 17:19

I ditched Barclays decades ago because they supported apartheid in South Africa. Nice of them to advertise their support for the misogynistic gender-identity movement, so I don't have to reconsider.

The loss of women's single-sex spaces and services may not be comparable to apartheid. But it is the biggest reduction of women's rights in this country in living memory.

IcakethereforeIam · 05/09/2022 17:19

My favourite was Kia Ora mate, in NZ. Translated as Hello Death!

Anyone buying the Sun in Liverpool?

Helleofabore · 05/09/2022 17:22

And then of course, there is the guidance given my Stonewall that has been countered by leading human rights barristers in their advice to organisations and then made public.

That has been brilliant publicity!

Let's not forget that.

nomoreflyingfucks · 05/09/2022 17:59

Well I'm very glad it was savings and not a loan because:
Can't pay your mortgage = repossession
Can't pay your car loan = repossession
Can't pay for your tits = how would they get repossessed?!

Nightmare2022 · 05/09/2022 19:28

Complain here about the Barclays ad please

loudlylikealion · 05/09/2022 19:37

Nightmare2022 · 05/09/2022 19:28

Complain here about the Barclays ad please

What is the link

Hearach15 · 05/09/2022 20:25

myeverythink · 05/09/2022 14:58

And you don't seem to have a good grasp of how negative publicity works.

Yet month after month there are post complaing about worldwide brands supporting LGBT+ in their marketing.

It's almost as if it's highly successful for them.
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Indeed, it's almost as if being pro-LGBT is good business.

Nightmare2022 · 05/09/2022 21:26

loudlylikealion · 05/09/2022 19:37

What is the link

www.asa.org.uk/make-a-complaint.html

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 05/09/2022 21:53

it's almost as if being pro-LGBT is good business.

Nothing to do with LGB and not all of T either. It's promoting body image issues and plastic surgery that's the problem -- even though those are both known to be very good business.

Remember "heroin chic" promoting starvation addiction and self-harm to vulnerable young women? That sold a lot of fashion mags so arguably a commercial success. But got shut down eventually.

Promoting anything with serious physical or mental health implications - whether it's anorexia or cosmetic surgery - raises huge ethical problems for advertisers trying to be "edgy" and risks falling foul of advertising standards.

Helleofabore · 05/09/2022 21:57

Hearach15 · 05/09/2022 20:25

Indeed, it's almost as if being pro-LGBT is good business.

Not to rain on your cheerleading again, but this poster will not be back. I would sincerely say that you should check the posting history of posters you wish to amplify in this way.

Hearach15 · 06/09/2022 14:19

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 05/09/2022 21:53

it's almost as if being pro-LGBT is good business.

Nothing to do with LGB and not all of T either. It's promoting body image issues and plastic surgery that's the problem -- even though those are both known to be very good business.

Remember "heroin chic" promoting starvation addiction and self-harm to vulnerable young women? That sold a lot of fashion mags so arguably a commercial success. But got shut down eventually.

Promoting anything with serious physical or mental health implications - whether it's anorexia or cosmetic surgery - raises huge ethical problems for advertisers trying to be "edgy" and risks falling foul of advertising standards.

"It's promoting body image issues and plastic surgery that's the problem"

Gender affirming surgery is good actually.

"Gender-affirming surgeries were associated with a 42% reduction in psychological distress and a 44% reduction in suicidal ideation when compared with transgender and gender-diverse people who had not had gender-affirming surgery but wanted it, according to the findings. The study also found a 35% reduction in tobacco smoking among people who had gender-affirming surgeries."

www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/mental-health-benefits-associated-with-gender-affirming-surgery/#:~:text=Gender%2Daffirming%20surgeries%20were%20associated,it%2C%20according%20to%20the%20findings.

LK1972 · 06/09/2022 14:36

And here are the issues with the paper @Hearach15 attached:

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2779429

'A major concern about this paper is that the two groups compared – those who have had surgery and those who might want it some day – are really nothing like each other. '

It goes on to describe the major problems in data analysis.

VestofAbsurdity · 06/09/2022 14:41

LK1972 · 06/09/2022 14:36

And here are the issues with the paper @Hearach15 attached:

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2779429

'A major concern about this paper is that the two groups compared – those who have had surgery and those who might want it some day – are really nothing like each other. '

It goes on to describe the major problems in data analysis.

So not quite the expert analysis as billed, hmm, what a surprise.

Hearach15 · 06/09/2022 14:43

LK1972 · 06/09/2022 14:36

And here are the issues with the paper @Hearach15 attached:

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2779429

'A major concern about this paper is that the two groups compared – those who have had surgery and those who might want it some day – are really nothing like each other. '

It goes on to describe the major problems in data analysis.

The conclusions are not unique, in the site you've just linked it also notes: "A seminal 1998 review of the experiences of more than 2000 TGD people from 79 predominantly uncontrolled follow-up studies demonstrated qualitative improvement in psychosocial outcomes following gender-affirming surgery".

Hearach15 · 06/09/2022 14:44

VestofAbsurdity · 06/09/2022 14:41

So not quite the expert analysis as billed, hmm, what a surprise.

The experts I'm quoting are Harvard Medical School. I'm happy to submit to their expertise.

I'm sorry trans happiness so upsets posters on this forum. I find it genuinely baffling.

IcakethereforeIam · 06/09/2022 14:53

Totally different cohort to the vast majority of the dysphoric youth of today.

I knew it'd be that out of date Harvard study.

So, getting the thread back on track, what was wrong with Get the L Out's banners? I'm not going to claim they are unproblematic, but what would you say was wrong with them.

Stop outsourcing your thinking and answer a question.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 06/09/2022 14:57

@Hearach15
so you get your breasts cut off and your womb cut out, but on the plus side, your slightly more likely to give up smoking?
blimey

IcakethereforeIam · 06/09/2022 14:57

Bollocks, wrong threadBlush. Can't be arsed to repost, answer the question!

Hearach15 · 06/09/2022 15:08

IcakethereforeIam · 06/09/2022 14:53

Totally different cohort to the vast majority of the dysphoric youth of today.

I knew it'd be that out of date Harvard study.

So, getting the thread back on track, what was wrong with Get the L Out's banners? I'm not going to claim they are unproblematic, but what would you say was wrong with them.

Stop outsourcing your thinking and answer a question.

The Harvard Medical report is dated April 2021....

justaladyLOL · 06/09/2022 15:08

All companies are trying tp prove how woke they are
I have a Barclays account i do not use much
Closing it tomorrow

Hearach15 · 06/09/2022 15:09

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 06/09/2022 14:57

@Hearach15
so you get your breasts cut off and your womb cut out, but on the plus side, your slightly more likely to give up smoking?
blimey

No empathy about what it's like to be trans. I genuinely don't understand why people are so uninterested in understanding their struggles.

Gettingbythanks · 06/09/2022 15:17

Helleofabore · 05/09/2022 14:24

You've come here to complain about a trans person saving money and you're complaining about "ad-hominem' attacks"?

Your dishonest twisting is showing again. Have away at it. I want your posts to stand in this live demonstration. It really does do a huge amount of work.

Those of us who don’t post much see it for what it is @Helleofabore, don’t worry.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 06/09/2022 15:28

No empathy about what it's like to be trans. I genuinely don't understand why people are so uninterested in understanding their struggles.

What makes you think that? Empathic people also use black humour. I have an enormous personal interest and empathy.

But this lady's struggles are not relevant to the advert. Indeed if she is struggling then really she shouldn't be on TV promoting breast enhacement as a source of happiness at all. It's not healthy for her. What if it doesn't make her happy? That advert will grin at her forever.

Promoting breast enhancement surgery to trans women is no better than promoting it to anyone else. And having a trans woman say "it makes me happy" is no better than having anyone else saying the same.

Gender affirming surgery is good actually.

Sometimes. So is breast enhancement for women. Sometimes. You still aren't supposed to promote it in adverts, because that also encourages people who it wouldn't be good for.