Do you talk about being GC in real life?

[Waiting4baby2]

I feel like Im going mad. I am a left leaning person, only ever read bbc and the guardian news. Generally a ‘live and let live’ sort of person who cares about equality.
I was completely in the dark about policy changes which have taken/ are taking place to put gender ID above sex/ the silencing of women and frankly the child abuse that has been taking place through affirmative care.
Now I’ve started properly looking into it I’m completely in shock at how this has been allowed to happen to women’s rights. Im also gobsmacked at the way the guardian and bbc have been so biased in the matter and failing to air any gender critical views.
I feel like now I’m aware of what’s going on I want my friends and family, particularly female members to know. However, it’s such a layered story to get across and when I have gently mentioned anything I basically get ‘well it’s none of my business, it doesn’t affect me how people want to live’ or ‘I don’t know much about it’ but are clearly disapproving. Just a question is it worth bringing some ideas to light for them or will they get there themselves? I’m feeling quite powerless but know how important this is so in a way feel duty bound to air the alternative view. What can I do?!

Can anyone access the full version of that NIH study and give the control figure, and the methodology used to determine who was trans and who wasn't? Thanks.

Shame to see that hearach isn't even principled enough to answer Helle's questions.
Come on, give it a shot. Yes or no - it's surely not difficult?

Please yourselves but I'm going back to the op's question. Yes, I'm still careful but I discuss it far more than I did a year ago, and with a wider range of people.

Of those I talk to - and of course this is purely anecdotal - I've found that men are frequently dismissive, sometimes scathingly so, about gender identity but also more detached. I think that, because they have limited understanding of how female biology and male violence impact on women's day-to-day lives, they tend to shrug it off as, 'I think it's all nonsense but does it really matter?'

I've found women are often more cautious about dismissing gender identity, which I think is partly because we're so used to putting other people's perceived needs before our own. But once they do see through it, they are seriously pissed off.

hearach shouldn't be on this thread - it would be like a Jewish person rocking up to comment critically on a thread started by Muslims about some aspect of their faith. Utterly different belief systems. Trouble is, they like to derail. So best ignore. I need to take my own advice, too.

There's a massive groundswell of people recognising the harm being done. Hundreds of thousands of parents wondering why primary children are being targeted by adults insisting they can be born in the wrong body. Countless parents of secondary children watching in bemusement and alarm at the levels of social contagion and wondering why adults determined to gaslight children that puberty blockers and surgery are desirable have been allowed anywhere near schools.
All the diversions and flailing in the world will not stop the inexorable march of responsible adults telling the queer theory extremists that enough is enough.
Be who you want, live as you choose but stop removing the rights of others and safeguarding children.

I think in recent months? year or so? it's seeped out beyond the Twittersphere - which a lot of politically engaged types are on (of all political persuasions) and has become more prominent in normal life.

NHS forms are asking for gender ID, people are shouted down on 'normie' facebook groups, etc.

Hearach came onto this thread, and others, to proudly exclaim the LGBT solidarity when it comes to trans "rights", but has steadfastly ignored any enquiry as to what these elusive sought after "rights" actually ARE.
How odd.

I think in recent months? year or so? it's seeped out beyond the Twittersphere

I'd say for the last 3-4 years, as someone who has been watching it for several more years than that. And at the beginning of that mainstreaming, pre-Maya, there was even less pushback possible.

Yes I do talk about it on real life. My children are TWAW, but slowly we are getting there. I’m generally not allowed discuss it with them, but I drop a comment or article here or there. I also have taken to slowly, calmly bringing it up at work, with female colleagues.

I do feel things have shifted in favour of those with GC views, though. I have been watching this issue since it was proposed that sex be removed from the census. Back then, TRAs still engaged (in a horribly hostile way, obvs) with so-called TERFs. Then came the TERF blocking software and they simply shut them down that way.. Reported their accounts for even the mildest gender heresy. Now, people are openly questioning or critical, and the discussion is happening.

I remember of The Times about 18 months ago, there would still be threads where hundreds of comments by GC commentators would get deleted. Now, it's a completely open discussion. In fact, reading the comments on The Times keeps me sane.

This doesn't mean there's not a huge fight in the public sector, when gender is firmly embedded. But now, post Maya, people should feel they can speak out.

I think it was a twinkle with Keira’s case, and others hitting the news, then throw in Hubbard, Thomas, Bridges and most weeks now there is a male winning a high level female sports competition.

It is signaling that these transitioned males are simply not happy enough with being able to ‘live and let live’. They want more and people are noticing it.

It also makes a mockery out to the claims that the movement supporting these males is ‘just like’ LGB rights.

People are noticing. People are definitely discussing it more.

I was very heartened recently when someone I know who works in the justice system, and who always seemed to me to be on the Woke side, turned out to be GC. A lot of people are seeing through the bullshit.

I talk about it all the time. 90% of people have barely thought about it beyond 'be kind', a few minutes with me and their jaws are on the floor about the madness of it all! Caveat that this only applies to people who aren't steeped in gender ideology; I don't talk about it to teens or uni students and I suspect that would be much harder. I had an almighty row with one friend but everyone else I have spoken to agrees with me. Th good thing is our point of view is straightforward. It's not difficult to explain because intuitively it makes sense. It's the gender ideologues who have to waste a lot of time and energy making everything seem complicated and difficult to grasp.

Sorry clicked too soon. So please talk. It's the multiple little conversations with friends that make all the different.

Only if it comes up naturally, which is rare, and even then I'm not vehement unless it's people I know well.

I work for a major employer and it's full-on TWAW. Pronouns increasingly in emails (but not the norm yet thank god!). They have a Transgender policy, and a recently watched a Teams event presenting the whole trans ideological script/buzzwords as gospel to "educate" the workforce. Fully backed and endorsed by the senior leadership. It's shocking and depressing what a hold it's taken, and nobody challenges it.

@ValancyRedfern my Dd tentatively raised it amongst her university flatmates last year and was pleasantly surprised. Everyone thought the same as her, nobody wanted to say anything, but everyone understood how the ideology impacts women and gay people in particular. I think lots of younger people are fed up but don’t raise it in conversation.

I discuss it a lot - mainly because of the threads I've read here on mumsnet and on other forums that I am a member of.

I often discuss it with my young adult children and DH also has to listen to me. He is slowly understanding where I am coming from. A family member recently blocked him on fb because he challenged their thinking in regards to trans ideology.

I started a new job this year and was very excited when I heard other coworkers critically discussing males in female prisons. They aren't on social media much, so weren't aware of how bad things were in many areas. They were shocked to hear what I shared.

You've just said you can't tell the difference between trans people and predators! I would not say that out loud because obviously people will conclude that is bigotry because it is.
@Hearach15 actually this should always be said out loud - fortunately someone else said this to me and it opened my eyes and help peak me. I say it all the time now, and it is peaking others. Fortunately no-one thinks this is bigotry because they don't lack critical thinking skills and they have common sense.

I also say that if transwomen are using female toilets because they don't feel safe in the male's toilet - then it's up to the male population to fix this, and not up to the female population to be human shields.

Males should be safe to be allowed to be who they are and other males need to change their attitude. It's a male violence issue that males have to fix.

In regards to being called transphobes and bigots - this is used by TRA's to silence people, especially females. Most people IRL don't use these slurs because they don't agree with many ideologies of the TRA's.

Not long ago if a male raped a female - females were called horrible names and were silenced, because the male's reputation, career and life were more important than the females. Very similar to the TRA tactics of today.

It's obvious @Hearach15 is desperately clutching at straws and is yet to give coherent answers and has to deflect, because they have nothing of value to contribute to these threads. Oh look over there - a squirrel!

I started talking about it more recently, in response to others questioning the insanity of men in women's sports, police doing Macarena and Maya's and Allison's cases in the news.

Reasonable people can see that those that state 'I cannot understand why a woman would voluntary date a man' are also bigots, just the same as those that state 'I cannot understand why a man would voluntarily date a man'.

It's none of your business who people date, wind your fucking neck in and treat everyone with the same dignity and respect, regardless of their sexual orientation. Why is this so difficult for you @Hearach15 ?

Yet you think they would be bigoted for not dating a man who identifies as a woman.I find it hard to follow such labyrinthine logic to be honest.

By LK1972:
"It's none of your business who people date, wind your fucking neck in and treat everyone with the same dignity and respect, regardless of their sexual orientation. Why is this so difficult for you @Hearach15 ?"

Sums it up beautifully.👏

Late to the party here but I’ve just read Helen Joyce Trans and she debunks the suicide stats. If it’s the same study which I think it is it was only based on 27 people. The study itself was of 2000 people in total but of all genders and the suicide analysis was only one part of the study. For that part they only wanted to include respondents that identified as trans and were under the age of 26 which amounted to 27 individuals. It’s really not a reliable stat to go on. Detail here: www.transgendertrend.com/a-scientist-reviews-transgender-suicide-stats/

I have a few people I can speak to openly about it. My husband, a couple close friends.

Apart from that I talk about it carefully sometimes, usually when there is an appropriate opening. I live in Canada, so things are a little different here, most people have little or no exposure to a lot of what is going on, and they aren't exposed to other ways of thinking, or if they are it is only through organizations like the CBC which are very careful in crafting their narrative. My mum initially had no idea what was going on but is now very aware and concerned, and she's influenced my dad who is retired but in a field that is significantly involved but I think he is now talking about it as much as he can among those who are still active.

I've had a few conversations with people where it seems pretty clear they were concerned, but usually in a vague way. On the other hand, in my job for example there are a lot of people who just go along with things, and expect everyone to be happy about being plastered with rainbow buttons and so on.

hearach shouldn't be on this thread
We're trying to police who should or shouldn't be posting on here now?!
What happened to so called free speech 😕
Anyone can post, but only if they agree with me, otherwise down with this sort of thing?; 🙄😁

Actually, maybe posters are responding to the numerous attempts in the past of that particular poster telling others that they shouldn’t be posting on particular threads.

I think I have seen you also on those particular threads, did you say anything to hearache when they did the same thing?

Anyone can post, but only if they agree with me, otherwise down with this sort of thing?

Pretty much the tactic that Hearache has been using on a number of threads.

There are echoes of it with their constant ‘you aren’t an expert in LGBT issues’ that they do. That was when their attempts started threads ago, it used to follow with ‘so why are you posting on these threads’ (my paraphrasing). They continue with one half of now still, they seem to dropped the other half.

So, maybe since you are apparently all about balance and ensuring free speech and all, maybe when you see those posts from Hearache, you could also tell them off the same way. No?