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Antipodean fruit grower statement

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nothingcomestonothing · 27/08/2022 13:44

The antipodean fruit growers site is down. A statement from the owner reads in part:

What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where [redacted by me as would be against MN talk guidelines] while normal people are not allowed to even discuss it.

The mob has already planned subsequent targets. Should we stay down, they will then attack 'gender critical' communities - especially those ran by and for women. No place can exist online which criticizes [redacted], and nothing would excite them more than this power and domination struggle being inflicted on a female space instead.

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Saucery · 01/09/2022 18:23

When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

TheClogLady · 01/09/2022 18:59

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 01/09/2022 18:11

"talking about someone isn’t harassment*
That's missing the point a bit isn't, it?!
Talking about someone isn't harassment,

  • you've massively minimised and narrowed it down now to " talking about someone" - you can't surely believe that all forms of writing/ talking about someone isn't harassment. Of course some will be.

Not without interaction, no. People say terrible stuff about celebs all the time (and the person in question is a new fangled type of celeb, a twitch streamer)

defamation could take place without interaction but defamation isn’t harassment.

for something to be defamation it would have to be untrue and injure the reputation of said person

whereas the stuff that’s being shared in KF seems to be archived tweets and other saved material that the person under discussion put out themselves?

perhaps they would be better going for copyright claim rather than harassment or defamation? I’m not particularly familiar with US law.

Are you?

Datun · 01/09/2022 19:06

whereas the stuff that’s being shared in KF seems to be archived tweets and other saved material that the person under discussion put out themselves?

Exactly. You can't be harassed by people repeating stuff you yourself have tried to publicise.

And taking the piss out of a 'fart dominatrix', was it? isn't harassment either.

Harassment, defamation, all of it, has a legal threshold.

ArabellaScott · 01/09/2022 19:27

fart dominatrix? Confused

Datun · 01/09/2022 20:17

ArabellaScott · 01/09/2022 19:27

fart dominatrix? Confused

Pretty certain that was what they called it'

NecessaryScene · 01/09/2022 20:24

Harassment, defamation, all of it, has a legal threshold.

And comparing to the stuff people say about JKR, she's not been able to stop them saying the most heinous stuff about her.

She doesn't have any problems with people archiving the stuff she puts on the web, because she's not an idiot who puts stuff she doesn't want publicised up there. So that problem doesn't occur at least.

But she hasn't been able to cry "harassment" to stop people saying things about her. And she's not campaigning to get service providers to stop serving Pink News, say, for harassing her.

The best she's been able to do is threaten action for defamation for outright demonstrable lies, and that's been able to get people to back down.

That seems like it could be an effective weapon against Kiwi Farms. If you could catch them publishing false information. That's the problem... They publish true things, and opinion. And you can't stop people writing true things and opinion.

AlisonDonut · 01/09/2022 20:30

The one thing about KF is that if someone does post something unsubstantiated and not archived, they get roasted.

mentalcube · 02/09/2022 22:09

Good piece today from Ben Collins on NBC News about Kiwifarms, as the pictures show most of the Kiwifarms doxxing is kept off the main site and in discord server.

twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1565797220531814406?t=1AvTQO-cRlc9NGsM1Hs8Xw&s=19

I've been covering bad parts of the internet for long time now.

For years, there was one site extremist researchers warned me not to cover because publicizing it would be dangerous.

But it's time people know KiwiFarms—and how they're chasing political enemies around the world.

KiwiFarms was created by former 8chan adminstrator Josh Moon.

8chan founder, Fred Brennan, spent the last few years trying to get 8chan removed from the internet for the harm it causes.

“What Moon is doing is worse,” Brennan told me. "He’s actually targeting specific people."

How is KiwiFarms worse than 4chan and 8chan?

Three people the site have targeted later died by suicide.

Some are harassed even after their death by the site's organized mob, who brigade social media pages of loved ones.

Why is KiwiFarms more dangerous than any other site?

Its far-right userbase abuses all of the private data companies have accrued over the last decade—then weaponizes it against perceived enemies.

Take their latest target Clara Sorrenti, who had to flee the country last week.

KiwiFarms archives data of political enemies — frequently trans people, often private citizens — then uses it to create terror.

They doxx and swat enemies. They identify enemies' friend and bosses, then bombard them with accusations of pedophilia to get them fired.

Clara Sorrenti was the most recent victim of the KiwiFarms playbook.

Last month, she opened her door to find a police officer's gun pointed at her face.

A KiwiFarms user had sent in a threat of a mass shooting at her local city hall in her name.

Sorrenti had a following and decided to push back, starting a campaign to cut off KiwiFarms' hosting.

She went to a hotel, and took a picture with her cat, telling fans she was safe.

KiwiFarms users identified her hotel by the bedsheets and the threats increased.

By this point, the Uber accounts for Sorrenti and her immediate family had been hacked by KiwiFarms users. They then had access to her every movement and address she'd been to for weeks.

Her family started receiving automated calls like the one below.

Realizing she needed to flee the country, Sorrenti flew to Northern Ireland to evade the swatting and stalking.

Within days, KiwiFarms and 4chan users found out where she was staying. One took a picture outside of the home.

(Note: Tr&&n is a KiwiFarms slur for trans person.)

Sorrenti's life, like many others, has been turned upside down by this website.

Even the cops that swatted her were later doxxed and threatened by KiwiFarms users.

There is currently no recourse to stop this kind of fascist terror.

I'm writing about KiwiFarms now because their playbook of terror is being adopted by far-right internet spaces across the web.

Boston Children's Hospital was locked down due to a bomb threat this week.

KiwiFarms and 4chan users clogged an LGBTQ suicide hotline a day later.

The KiwiFarms playbook—using our data to terrorize political enemies—is where the culture war is headed in 2022 and 2024.

Trans people are their current targets, but they are broadening their enemies list.

As Brennan told me, this could "easily become an FBI agent database."

The congresswoman was swatted two nights in a row. The caller, using that similar automated voice message, cited KiwiFarms.

Furthur reading

www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/cloudflare-kiwi-farms-keffals-anti-trans-rcna44834

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TheClogLady · 02/09/2022 22:43

Have you bothered to read the thread or are you just copy and pasting anywhere KF Is mentioned online?

have you listened to the Null/Rekieta Law stream?

mentalcube · 02/09/2022 22:48

TheClogLady · 02/09/2022 22:43

Have you bothered to read the thread or are you just copy and pasting anywhere KF Is mentioned online?

have you listened to the Null/Rekieta Law stream?

Yes & yes.

ScreamingMeMe · 02/09/2022 22:52

Are any of those claims backed up with actual evidence? I couldn't see any.

TheClogLady · 02/09/2022 22:58

Why post a bunch of stuff that’s already been discussed and dismissed then?

TheClogLady · 02/09/2022 23:01

Josh mentioned the discord on the stream. IIRC it only existed for a year and was gone before the Keffals kerfuffle began.

if anything illegal is happening in discord, perhaps TRAs should be campaigning to get discord closer down, rather than KF?

Bit inconsistent if they don’t, eh?

mentalcube · 02/09/2022 23:19

Josh mentioned the discord on the stream. IIRC it only existed for a year and was gone before the Keffals kerfuffle began.

The third screenshot discussing the Belfast apartment is less than a week ago.

mentalcube · 02/09/2022 23:22

TheClogLady · 02/09/2022 22:58

Why post a bunch of stuff that’s already been discussed and dismissed then?

Because it's interesting that one of the big US MSM news channels has now picked up the story and is running with it.

sleepwbutterflies · 03/09/2022 01:17

Another journo with no professional integrity writing a story called "What the People I Talked to Told Me".

Sonnex · 03/09/2022 05:50

The pictures don't show that at all. What an absolute load of nonsense and waffle. Far right agenda? Some people need to get off the internet.

What this actually is is a massive grift. That leffals person has raised 100s of thousands of dollars off the back of this and is now using it for a nice holiday in Ireland.

NecessaryScene · 03/09/2022 07:07

Another journo with no professional integrity writing a story called "What the People I Talked to Told Me".

One of Null's biggest frustrations is that absolutely no journalist wants to do any research into the unknown things here - like the alleged-but-probably-didn't-happen suicide.

They won't even reference the evidence on KF, let alone do any investigation of their own. They're all just reporting what each other say.

It's like the closed loop "ideas laundering" stuff in social sciences, where everone's just citing each other, but no-one's actually stopping to check for any connection to reality.

PS - I like the way the sign Keffals is holding there can't spell "ULSTER" correctly. Is it possible he actually misread "Ulster" as "Uister"? Not implausible that Canadians wouldn't know the word.

Also - "I'm scared that people know where I am. Let me publicly post this picture 'someone' sent me showing where I am." Seriously?

LordLoveADuck · 03/09/2022 07:24

An significant fyi to pearl clutchers regarding doxxing. Nothing less the the US Supreme Court has ruled that addresses are not private. To learn more listen to the Null/Rekieta Law stream. That means if drek like keffals want privacy well boo-hoo too bad so sad. Plastering oneself on social media has a cost.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/09/2022 07:30

I don't think KF are especially "far right". It's just a shitposting site. Just lazy journalism.

NecessaryScene · 03/09/2022 07:34

I don't think KF are especially "far right".

I can't detect any particular clear left/right leaning there. Seems like quite a wide left/right spread among the users. Not even sure where Null is - don't recall it coming up.

Everyone's very hard on the "libertarian" side of the "Political Compass" libertarian/authoritarian axis though. That's the distinguishing feature.

NecessaryScene · 03/09/2022 07:38

I suspect the site has become more "lefty" recently in response to "left-wing" parties steering hard to left-authoritarian or centre-authoritarian, so there's a load of refugees from that. Plus people seeking freedom from authoritarian places like Reddit or Twitter.

Previously there wouldn't have been a need for left-libertarian types to seek out such an alternative community.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/09/2022 07:41

Everyone's very hard on the "libertarian" side of the "Political Compass" libertarian/authoritarian axis though. That's the distinguishing feature.

YY. Everything these people don't like is "far right" though.

sleepwbutterflies · 03/09/2022 08:17

KF does not have any intentional political agenda. Only reason KF is perceived as anything-right is that KF is almost literally the only site left on the public web that still just lets people talk. Even if there were only 50 users out of 8000 who ever posted "far right" thinking, that would be 50 more than any other site besides Daily Stormer. If people even saw one serious far-right post on the whole site, they'd draw attention to that one and use it to label the whole site. Let alone the many thousands that are pure shitposts with no agenda but to make them laugh, and make outsiders mad.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/09/2022 08:42

Article from online radical feminist site Reduxx, which covers all this and has interesting input from a trans person who joined Kiwi Farms after being targeted themselves:

twitter.com/reduxxmag/status/1565769362782523392?s=21&t=6ElZNWrCeBljwnVbrZJi8A

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