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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bristol City Council consulting on new trans policy

63 replies

severnboring · 27/08/2022 08:35

www.ask.bristol.gov.uk/trans-inclusion-and-gender-diversity-policy-consultation

Following on from passing a 'TWAW TMAM' motion of which the former council Head of Legal said 'I have never seen such a manifestly unlawful motion', Bristol City Council are now consulting on their new 'Trans Inclusion and Gender Identity' policy.

Good thread here: twitter.com/nicjholland/status/1563290810665562112

Consultation open til Oct. It's comforting to know that as an economic crisis hits, at least the council tax money is being well spent by enlightened folx voting to put sani bins in the men's.

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axolotlfloof · 02/10/2022 14:23

If you haven't had a chance please complete.
Bristol is entirely unaware this is happening, and most people genuinely wouldn't believe it.
Self id by the back door.

bishopgiggles · 02/10/2022 15:46

Because of the issues at the start with making the documents available, I believe the deadline for comments is now 9th Oct - one week from now. Still good to get comments in ASAP though.

Itsalloutofwhack · 07/10/2022 22:10

Bumping. I’ve just done my response. I’m pretty furious and half a bottle of wine down but gave it my best shot. Took me about an hour. Anyone thinking about doing it and not yet got round to it, please do.

Itsalloutofwhack · 07/10/2022 22:10

Closing date 9th October, so assume tomorrow is the last possible day.

littlbrowndog · 07/10/2022 22:28

Done

SpringCalling · 07/10/2022 22:35

done - didn't ask me for an email address

FemaleAndLearning · 07/10/2022 23:04

I've just read through all of this and made notes to complete in the morning. They really do not consider women and girls at all if they do they totally dismiss concerns. This is a sham consultation.
They don't define sex or sexual orientation. Though later it is clear by sexual orientation they mean same gender.
They include agender is under the trans umbrella but then also say it means someone who rejects gender identity. So that doesn't make sense.
They swap terminology all the time but mainly they mean gender identity.
They say a transwoman is assigned male at birth and lives as a woman. With no explanation.
They they mix in looking masculine or feminine.
They talk about the correct gender being on a GRC when really it means having the opposite sex on your birth certificate.
Talks about using wrong pronouns but in some scenarios it is necessary to use sex based pronouns.
They talk about filling forms in and having questions on gender but don't talk about sex. Is this still being collected?
Basically they are introducing self ID.
Use women only and men only services as opposed to single sex services.
The phrase transphobia....can include greatly exaggerated fears - this is not neutral language.

Also use a phrase about women's fears not being a legitimate reason to exclude transwomen!

They refer to GEO document from 2015.

Awful document written only from a trans perspective, very biased, but then if they believe TWAW what do we expect.

Itsalloutofwhack · 08/10/2022 08:03

Bumping for the morning crew.

NecklessMumster · 08/10/2022 10:17

FemaleAndLearning · 07/10/2022 23:04

I've just read through all of this and made notes to complete in the morning. They really do not consider women and girls at all if they do they totally dismiss concerns. This is a sham consultation.
They don't define sex or sexual orientation. Though later it is clear by sexual orientation they mean same gender.
They include agender is under the trans umbrella but then also say it means someone who rejects gender identity. So that doesn't make sense.
They swap terminology all the time but mainly they mean gender identity.
They say a transwoman is assigned male at birth and lives as a woman. With no explanation.
They they mix in looking masculine or feminine.
They talk about the correct gender being on a GRC when really it means having the opposite sex on your birth certificate.
Talks about using wrong pronouns but in some scenarios it is necessary to use sex based pronouns.
They talk about filling forms in and having questions on gender but don't talk about sex. Is this still being collected?
Basically they are introducing self ID.
Use women only and men only services as opposed to single sex services.
The phrase transphobia....can include greatly exaggerated fears - this is not neutral language.

Also use a phrase about women's fears not being a legitimate reason to exclude transwomen!

They refer to GEO document from 2015.

Awful document written only from a trans perspective, very biased, but then if they believe TWAW what do we expect.

Thank you for this summary, it's no wonder I was confused when reading it

Madcats · 09/10/2022 12:25

Just a reminder that the consultation finishes today:
www.ask.bristol.gov.uk/trans-inclusion-and-gender-diversity-policy-consultation

It is so "lots of women complained earlier, so we thought about it and decided to ignore them and do what Stonewall wanted"

Iliveonahill · 09/10/2022 12:36

It didn’t ask me for an email address.

QueenoftheAngles · 09/10/2022 12:43

I live in Bristol and have just completed it but it didn’t ask for an email address. I’m interested to know who is pushing this. Will be contacting local members and MP (who probably won’t care what I, a middle aged woman, thinks) but at least they can’t pretend they didn’t know about it when this policy results in women and girls being assaulted (which it will).

FemaleAndLearning · 09/10/2022 16:13

The no email thing is strange. Does it mean they are not accountable to which responses they count. How will we know if our views have been taken and not put in the delete box as incomplete or some other reason.
I couldn't complete the gender question or sexual orientation because they mixed sex and gender so I told them that.

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