Someone explain to Sara about sharing loos

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I'm so tired. They really don't get it or understand why women don't wanna share with men. The second we metaphorically and actually open our spaces for them to use too we're putting ourselves at risk but people like her care more about someones feelings being hurt than real women potentialy being attacked (and not necessarily by TW but by any man) because its okay for anyone to say they're whatever sex they want and we all have to grin and bear it. Link to her tweet: Twitter

If TRAs are so desperate to assure us that everything is perfectly fine with sharing a bathroom with any male who forms the magic words "but I'm a woman"-..... Then what exactly would be wrong with trans identifying males using the Men's toilets?

I mean, with there being no difference at all, you wouldn't think they'd even notice.

Well if it becomes the norm they, and everyone else, will have to accept it. I think it is better in several ways, the old style school toilets were a place for bullying.

I'm a teacher. I like the idea of totally separate, single-occupancy toilets in schools, but I can't imagine schools have the space for that. They certainly don't have the budget. And I'm guessing that goes for a lot of other organisations and businesses too. When 1000 + kids get let out of lessons simultaneously at break and lunch, you need quite a lot of toilets.

I'd just like all public toilets, changing rooms etc to be individual rooms with a basin and toilet in, floor to ceiling walls and doors. No need for single or mixed sex spaces, just single occupancy. Safer and more private.

I agree.

When my DD was 11 she went into the female public toilet in the middle of the day and there were 3 women in there taking drugs.

They mugged her and stole her phone and money and it really scared her.

Individual rooms would be much safer.

They did think about the person being taken ill with ours. You have a set time, I think it is 15 minutes, you get a warning and a count down and then the door opens.

I get that but I think it is time they found the money for it. With our toilets there are fewer toilets than in the old blocks but I have used them and it doesn't seem to cause a problem. I can imagine that is challenging in schools but I think children are entitled to privacy, boys and girls, and many of us remember the old toilet block as a scary place.

Hard pass on that. I'll keep to the standard style of shared toilets, please.

Ha, all my TRA friends think I'm a T**F because I disagree with them on womens sports and that there are some cases where single sex services, based on sex registeted at birth are 100% justified.

I'm as GC as they come etc...

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Single occupancy rape cubicles only work if you also keep the biological men away from the biological women.

Otherwise, their design creates a 'safe space' for any pedo to corner a young child & molest them out of sight.
They can sit out in public & watch for the right victim to enter alone, then catch them to drag them back in on the way out if they notice a parent/carer is distracted.

Following a woman or young girl into the ladies used to mean risking being spotted as there may be other women in there, or they might enter during an assault.

Biological women rely on the presence (or possible presence) of other women & the exclusion of all biological males in public changing rooms to be safer.

There is never going to be a day when biological men belong in the biological womens toilets.

Yes there are. Because it wouldn't mean they are accepted as women. It's not about toilets. It's never been about toilets.

Single occupancy toilets aren't perfect but I'd still prefer them over any other type.

Quite apart from the privacy and dignity, it's really opening the door to every single predator in the country. Whether they identify as women or not.

Any bully, lech or rapist, could have a fine old time intimidating women without doing the slightest thing illegal.

But the thing that really gets me is what the fuck does she expect women to be saying, when every single time they even mention their disagreement with trans ideology or a biological definition of women, they get threatened with rape, death, torture and sexual assault.

What the fuck does she think of women, when these men are actually telling them exactly what they want to do to them, and she still expects them to put up with it.

It's not naivete. It's misogyny.

The problem is that any man can identify as trans by saying he “feels” like a woman. Which opens up woman's spaces to any man.

The problem is that any man can identify as trans by saying he “feels” like a woman. Which opens up woman's spaces to any man.

And every predator.

I tend to go for something along the lines of

‘You can’t bulldoze another woman’s personal boundaries with a majority vote.
A single ‘no’ has to be a total veto.
Consent always lies with the individual and thus can’t be overridden by a democratic process.
No means no. Always’

So eloquently put. I just cannot get my head around women who ‘don’t see the issue’ when it’s staring them straight in the face.

I don’t even understand why schools and other places suddenly decided to make toilets mixed

sure women and girls weren’t shouting please let men and boys into our toilets

was this a stonewall thing. ?

United Nations say that single sex toilets in schools and work are safer for women and girls because of the risks to us

how come that risk changes in this country?

UNESCO, the culture and education organisation of the United Nations, strongly promotes sex-segregated toilets to improve the educational chances of girls around the world. On the 8th of March 2018 (Women’s Day) the Independent reported UNESCO’s call for single-sex toilets, needed to improve girls’ access to education.

The need to provide single-sex toilets for girls and women is a well-recognised international human rights issue, not only in the context of educational opportunity but also in humanitarian crisis situations, including, by way of example, the Rohingya refugee crisis in Bangladesh. Many international human rights NGOs and governmental organisations stressed the importance to provide privacy, safety and security to female refugees of all ages (see for example UNICEF’s article ‘When going to the bathroom takes courage’ and Oxfam’s report ‘Designing hygiene and sanitation facilities in Rohingya refugee camps: for women by women’.

Also what's forgotten are pervy men that are getting a kick out of being next to women in the loo, listening. It's a thing and I'm not down with providing this freebie to Joe perv. I think it's tiresome that women have to point these grim realities out.

She was totally out of order for doing that after everything that Graham has given up fighting for the protection of women and girls.

Appaling woman.

*appalling

There is never going to be a day when biological men belong in the biological womens toilets.

this- on repeat until it sinks in please

This is not a trans issue it is about protecting female spaces from male predators.

it is clear that men convicted of sexual assault are transitioning in order to be housed in the female estate. Scotland are reporting that 40% of trans women are detransitioning on release, and these are just the ones that they can identify as biologically male, so the actual figure could be higher.

The Independent, contacted public swimming pools asking about sexual assaults and out of the ones that responded, it found that almost 90% of sexual assaults were committed in unisex changing rooms.

The fact she’s reducing it to the ‘seeing a penis’ argument is ridiculous. Purposely missing the point?