Someone explain to Sara about sharing loos

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I'm so tired. They really don't get it or understand why women don't wanna share with men. The second we metaphorically and actually open our spaces for them to use too we're putting ourselves at risk but people like her care more about someones feelings being hurt than real women potentialy being attacked (and not necessarily by TW but by any man) because its okay for anyone to say they're whatever sex they want and we all have to grin and bear it. Link to her tweet: Twitter

I don’t want to share a toilet space with a male, regardless of how he identifies, what he wears or what surgery he has had. To use a format these Twits will understand -
I 👏 JUST 👏 DON’T 👏 WANT 👏 TO

So she's attacking Graham Linehan for a blog post he wrote about her now, I think he knows far more about women's safety than a privileged comedy writer stuck in her metropolitan North London dinner party middle class bubble.

I don't want to share either. And why TF is it that the handmaidens saying let's share get to decide for all of us? Give away your rights if you want to. Mine are not up for grabs.

She's either exceptionally dim, being deliberately obtuse, or incredibly naïve.
Doesn't she understand that when you are sitting on the bog, with your pants round your ankles you're at your most vulnerable. DD's school have gone in for unisex loos, and guess what? Teen boys hang round in there jeering and making fun of the girls, intimidating them and being sexually explicit, to the point the girls cannot use the toilets at secondary school. Dd ended up with a raging UTI, four days off school, and major anxiety at returning to school, I'm convinced it's directly related to not drinking anything during the effing heatwave so she didn't need the WC at school. Despite complaints to the school nothing will change because you know 'feelings' trump safety.

I'd just like all public toilets, changing rooms etc to be individual rooms with a basin and toilet in, floor to ceiling walls and doors. No need for single or mixed sex spaces, just single occupancy. Safer and more private.

But that wouldn't achieve their aim would it?

Another one here who doesn't want to share with males, be it in changing rooms, toilets, hospital wards etc.
As there appears to be a fair number of females who either don't want or feel the need for any privacy, dignity or safety, it would be a good idea for there to be a third space provided, where these woman can mix and mingle with the men to their hearts content.

Just leave the single sex spaces as they should be, for the sole use of the sex they were originally set up for.

But hey all those posters above talking about trauma will be fine seeing Buck Angel in the toilets right?

Ah right, so it's about passing? You feel for traumatised women, when they have to see male-looking bodies in female spaces? And the solution is for us to let in all actual, blindingly obvious males because "some female people look like men"? Not sure this is the great argument you think it is.

I'd just like all public toilets, changing rooms etc to be individual rooms with a basin and toilet in, floor to ceiling walls and doors. No need for single or mixed sex spaces, just single occupancy. Safer and more private.
But that wouldn't achieve their aim would it?

I'm confused by this. Are there trans / non-binary people who would not be happy with that arrangement?

1. The only definition of a transwoman is a man who says he is/feels like a woman.
2. It is discrimination to allow one man who says he is a woman into a female toilet ( because you believe her) but not another ( because you think he's taking the piss) - how can you judge their inner feelings?
3. The right to a female toilet being a single sex space is the right of all women and is not yours to give away.

You really don't know much about her, do you?

This is what particularly worries me, unisex loos in school. I saw a debate on Twitter where someone had said that they didn't like unisex toilets with communal sinks because girls might be embarrassed to be washing blood off their hands when they have their period. So many people replied that it was great because it would let boys see the reality of periods, and the girls would be able to talk freely and it would remove the stigma and wouldn't that be great?

Well, no, it wouldn't, because what will happen is that some girls will either avoid school, or not use the toilets all day when they have their period.

Or alternatively, she's an opinionated woman who disagrees with you. Why are we (and Glinner) going after Sara and not the men who make women unsafe?

There was a thread from someone who worked at a university with such an arrangement. A male colleague saw her washing the blood off her hands, which made her uncomfortable.

She might have forgotten about it, except later that afternoon, the male colleague piped up to announce to the other staff that she was on her period.

I'm sure we can all imagine the tone in which he did it, and grasp that the intent was to undermine her.

This was an adult man in a professional role. What are teenage boys like to share with?

I could ask the same question about Sara, TBH.

Some of us are actively working to do something about male behaviour. That doesn't mean that we can't have an opinion on the women who are actively working to enable men.

I think it depends what the toilets are like. Old fashioned block with flimsy doors and cubicle walls with gaps at the top and bottom - no they aren't suitable.

Where i live those old blocks are being replaced with brick built single toilets with secure doors. They also have a basin in there so no communal washing hands. I imagine they are more expensive but I don't think that should be the main issue.They are also in very public places, on the high st or at a busy junction. I don't mind them, at night in particular I feel alot safer than in the old blocks. OK a man might have been in there before you but as long as I have real privacy, which you don't in those old blocks, I am OK with that.

So for me it is yes and no.

This one was very opposed to a private changing room on their own.

Duncan Bannatyne, who runs a gym chain, has encountered similar objections from trans people who don't want to use a private single-occupancy room.

Sorry I missed your post. Those are the sort of toilets we are getting where I live. Definitely the best option in my experience but I've got abuse on here before for saying it.

I'm confused by this. Are there trans / non-binary people who would not be happy with that arrangement?

Many might be. But for some, this would not validate their chosen gender identity like going into the ladies' would.

Well if it becomes the norm they, and everyone else, will have to accept it. I think it is better in several ways, the old style school toilets were a place for bullying, in public places they were dangerous at quiet times (used to work for the police and have done court files for attacks) solves the problem of a parent sending an opposite sex child into a toilet block alone.

Maybe we should all be pushing for this style of toilet as it seems superior.

Single occupancy toilets solve a lot of problems.

They are not issue-free though. Single-occupancy toilets can be easily accessed by men to plant recording devices, for example.

What particularly concerns me though, is health and safety. Where do pople, particularly women, tend to go if they feel suddenly ill, while away from home? The toilet.

That's one of the reasons why doors aren't floor to ceiling. It's so someone in the waiting space can spot if someone has passed out in the cubicle and fetch help. If you pass out behind a full floor to ceiling door in a single-occupancy unisex, I don't know how long it could be before someone realises. For this reason, such unisexes should be located in a central location, to increase the chances someone will notice the door is locked from the inside and has been for a while.

I genuinely don’t see the difference between a trans person entering a female toilet and a male worker entering a female toilet.

I think it’s very unsafe for a female who is transitioning to a male to enter a male bathroom with a group of males but I think a man transitioning to a female and entering a female bathroom, is just as dangerous as a male worker or even male member of the public who goes in.

I disagree with mixed sex toilets unless they are in proper cubicles but more so because of a privacy issue, rather than a danger issue.