Stonewall and Kelley at it again - "Modern culture has a vested interest in pretending that only female and male exist" 🙄

[Fenlandia]

twitter.com/Nancy_M_K/status/1560163238129680385

""Modern culture has a vested interest in pretending that only female and male exist because enemies of LGBT people recognise it’s important to erase intersex people in order to uphold homophobia"

Links to this article www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/it-s-hard-to-come-out-as-intersex-people-still-don-t-know-what-it-means-1.4073377

Even if this were true, it still doesn't make any sense whatsoever, it's just a word salad to me and I'm probably better informed than the general public on what "intersex", aka VSDs or variations of sexual development, are.

As always I feel for that community who are being dragged into the pseudoscience and queer theory bollocks being spouted by a major, well-respected (not be me) charity.

Very much this. Following the debate on gender identity online has shown me clearly that there is a general smell in the air of something related to misogyny, but not quite the same as explicit hatred of women:

An expectation that women, as a class, accept being support humans for everyone (and deserve stronger punishments for failing to abide by that role), an expectation that women, as a class, stay in the background and serve as the appreciative audience applauding the great deeds of others.

This doesn't happen in all political conversations, but it happens always in this particular one. Empathy is expected to flow in only one direction. It's odd to actually start seeing this, over time.

I think it has been made painfully clear to an increasing number of women how very thin the figleaf of 'equality' has been, and how women's rights were seen largely as something on loan as a gesture of good will only, expected to be handed back if they turned out to be something male people felt they wanted. Like women's spaces and language.

What I hope this will eventually lead to is enough of an anger and awareness of this that as we fight yet again for women's rights, this time we don't settle for a few nice surface gestures and virtue signals, this time it's going to be actual equality as the only acceptable outcome.

It's certainly finally dawned on me how very important it is that women hold 50% of the positions of power in the HoC with actual equal representation, and that it's not limited to a small number of largely good girls who say and do what they're told by males in male dominated groups to male dominated policies, and were only permitted through the ranks by winning at the game of patriarchy.

What a nice way to say, we were told PFO when trying to gain access to the funding needed to help parents understand their childs diagnosis etc by groups advocating on behalf of affected individuals.

Good job SW web writer👏🏻

'An expectation that women, as a class, accept being support humans for everyone (and deserve stronger punishments for failing to abide by that role), an expectation that women, as a class, stay in the background and serve as the appreciative audience applauding the great deeds of others.'

Yes, just that.

Decorative, but in the background.

I'm not totally hostile to the idea of sex as a spectrum in the sense that a man who's pumped himself full of a sufficient quantity of female hormones probably is, in a very real sense, 'a bit of both'. but strangely that's where the trans lobby's rejection of this binary fallacy seems to dry up a bit, since a TW cannot ever be considered to be anything other than the most womanly of women. it's so strange to use rejection of the binary split to supposedly buttress a very specific (largely fictional) version of the binary split.

puffyisgood - Today 22:17
it's so strange to use rejection of the binary split to supposedly buttress a very specific (largely fictional) version of the binary split.

It is extraordinary isn’t it that they can’t see how illogical this is.

I made the mistake of skim reading the article. What a load of old rot.

e.g.

(a) the author: "We have to admit that intersex is a third sex category"

(b) also this author: "the people with [intersex variances] are statistically heterosexual".

I'm going to go out on a limb and take a wild guess that in (b) she doesn't meant 'hetero' in the sense of 'one of the two other sex categories, not the third one whose existence i set out a couple of paragraphs ago'. I think she just maybe means something a bit narrower than that...

I was listening to the radio coming home from work today, and the bloky dj was talking about things like "processing trauma" and "dealing with issues." Not as a joke, in a totally mundane way.

It struck me how much our whole social discourse has been taken over by these kinds of pop psychology concepts, how much we are now seeing normal human experiences through these kinds of lenses.

The worst thing is that it is dead boring.

The more he does, the more he thinks he really is mr nice guy. He's actually quite chauvinist and conservative, but unconsciously and would be horrified if anyone said that.

There are a lot of people for whom being a progressive is a sort of "conservative" position. In the sense that for them, with their background, up-bringing, education, it is the social orthodoxy of the group they belong to. They aren't politically conservative but they have a conservative temperament. They are low in openess.

They would never be willing to admit it to themselves, though.

OMG, that is a seriously lightbulb moment for me.

I have seen this of people I thought I knew well, who seemed proudly open and thoughtful. And then, it turned out, subscribe rigidly to an inseparable "Basket of Beliefs for Good People" vs "Basket of Beliefs for Bad People" mindset.

I agree with it being a weird reverse conservativism. 70 years ago, these people would have been the people running the church.

It's fast becoming an excuse to avoid responsibility.

"I can't do my job because trauma"

Thats fine to a point, but it also means the responsibility is dumped on someone else who ends up with much more workload and no thanks or no reward for taking on that extra, possibly at cost to themselves in terms of their life / well being due to stress.

Whilst we should give people allowances for problems there is also a limit to this (support dog, support worker and mum anyone?)

It does worry me, because it creates a two tier path where you either have to flog yourself to death or get a suitable excuse to avoid the extra responsibility. There doesn't seem to be a real middle group of sensibility here. It's a polarisation in the same sense of the old Labour public sector v Conservative private sector attitudes and stereotyped thinking of work ethic. I don't believe in either as I can see the toxicity in both.

I do very much agree with the comments about progressive conservatism. I think if you phrase it as 'following the generational social orthodoxy without critical thought' it probably makes greater sense still.

And then, it turned out, subscribe rigidly to an inseparable "Basket of Beliefs for Good People" vs "Basket of Beliefs for Bad People" mindset.

Yes! And don’t question who has put that in their mind and why, who decided on the categories and whether any of them could change or be subject to interrogation.

So, if you can engineer getting TWAW into the “good” basket and t*rfism into the “bad” basket, vast numbers of people who see themselves as good lefties will lap it up and adhere to it rigidly, even though it makes no sense and they can’t explain or defend that belief when asked.

and that has been done by falsely allying and aligning gender ideology with LGB rights, which have been in the “good” basket for decades.

I commented on a document at work about language. It was written by another organisation and it was put out for discussion. I made lots of comments including how sex and gender had been conflated. I also made the point that intersex shouldn't be included as in 99.999% of cases babies are unambiguously male or female. I didn't back this figure up with any papers so thanks for the link above. Surprisingly someone felt upset about my figure to the point they kind of complained about it. They didn't come back with any evidence or figures of their own. Out of all the potentially TERFY comments I made this is the one they focused on. Given the discussion up thread this has helped me understand what happened.
Those invested in gender identity ideology need sex to be a spectrum and they think that using high levels of DSDs (VSDs) it validates their arguments.
To put it into perspective 1 in every 100 babies are born with congenital heart defects whereas only 130 to 150 babies per year are born with DSD. Sorry I don't know how to make those figures comparable!
www.nhs.uk/conditions/congenital-heart-disease/#:~:text=Congenital%20heart%20disease%20is%20one,babies%20born%20in%20the%20UK.

Stolen from Sunday Brunch this morning in terms of the difference of what / how people take things in:

Are you listening to reply or are you listening to understand?

The point being that people live in their own bubbles on social media and the tendency is simply to sign up to the orthodoxy promoted rather than actually listen and then think about what you've just heard.

If you listen to reply, then when confronted by opposing views, you aren't actually communicating. You are just repeating by rote.

I think thats overall a problem with our current education system.

I’d like to correct the poster who wrote that many men (and also many women) believe that women are slightly less worth than men.
that is factually incorrect: as any ful noes, women are only 66-75% human.
only men are 100% human.

they are unsure, however, how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin, but think we are looking at something near to 500 000. Possibly even a million.

I can’t recall exactly how the percentage of humanity was calculated, and anyway, what with my womanly bird-Brain I would not understand it.

but it is not SLIGHTLY less, it is rather a substantial difference, and it has been known about for HUNDREDS of years.

I cry.

I nearly lost faith in everything a couple of weeks back when a GP I know TOLD me that of course there are many more than two sexes. A GP!!!
However, being only about 70 % human, I bounced back quickly 👾👾👽👽

This also explained how TW were more women than non-TW (sorry to type that out, it is beyond cringe, but this is what I gathered they meant)

it makes no sense, of course.

I've heard that too, transwomen saying they are more of a woman than females because it is something they really wanted, and they make more effort with make up or so etching like that. Ridiculous.

All this constructed confusion of "sex" and "gender".

We know that sex comes in two types: female and male. Due to human reproduction There is no "third sex" or "spectrum". There's two sexes, end of.

"Gender" - what we used to call "personality". Might as well call it "star sign".

Agree with you, @PetalsOnTheBreeze

Star sign is an excellent equivalent.

PetalsOnTheBreeze · Today 00:19
Gender" - what we used to call "personality". Might as well call it "star sign".

How true.

The thing that made ne sit up and pay attention to what J K Rowling had to say was a number of years ago when she put out a series of Tweets against a man who called Theresa May “a whore”. Can’t remember who it was but he was, of course, a right-on Lefty and JKR pointed out how the most misogynistic men were often “left wing”.

This was a good few years ago, before any of the gender woo stuff crossed my personal radar, but it really made me think as well as acknowledge JKR as a very switched on lady.

Here’s a link to her original tweet, from June 2017: twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/873207949564497920?s=21&t=uQmW52M1dj3uctnvOzTEmQ

@CaveMum m · Today 09:25
The thing that made ne sit up and pay attention to what J K Rowling had to say was a number of years ago when she put out a series of Tweets against a man who called Theresa May “a whore”. Can’t remember who it was but he was, of course, a right-on Lefty and JKR pointed out how the most misogynistic men were often “left wing”

Look at the misogyny of these trans activists (May 2022). These cowardly ‘warriors’ dressed like ninjas, nowadays called ‘Black Pampers’, hidden by balaclavas, very far gone in this misogyny..

And I don’t know if it was at this meeting or another that they put a noose around a statue of Emily Pankhurst.

www.spiked-online.com/2022/06/22/the-rise-of-the-black-pampers/
(My bold)
Placards held by Black Pampers invited their opponents to ‘suck their dicks’ and some daubed chalk slogans on to the pavement with heart-warming messages such as ‘trans girls fuck your mum all the time’. The aim, according to the ironically named Bristol Against Hate who mobilised the Black Pampers, was apparently to ‘counter-protest right-wing agitators’ who these activists accused of hosting a ‘transphobic rally’. Standing for Women (SfW), the group behind the Let Women Speak event which attracted these counter-protests, in fact describes itself as a ‘broad church’ willing to work across party lines with a single-issue focus on women’s rights.

Not enough star signs to cover all the gender personalities it's more like cutie marks of my little ponies!