Stonewall and Kelley at it again - "Modern culture has a vested interest in pretending that only female and male exist" 🙄

[Fenlandia]

twitter.com/Nancy_M_K/status/1560163238129680385

""Modern culture has a vested interest in pretending that only female and male exist because enemies of LGBT people recognise it’s important to erase intersex people in order to uphold homophobia"

Links to this article www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/it-s-hard-to-come-out-as-intersex-people-still-don-t-know-what-it-means-1.4073377

Even if this were true, it still doesn't make any sense whatsoever, it's just a word salad to me and I'm probably better informed than the general public on what "intersex", aka VSDs or variations of sexual development, are.

As always I feel for that community who are being dragged into the pseudoscience and queer theory bollocks being spouted by a major, well-respected (not be me) charity.

I wonder how many years this has been taught for?!

I suppose she’s turned off reply’s so nobody from the intersex community can put her straight.

Utter drivel about their take on other utter drivel

She can turn off replies all she likes, anybody can still quote tweet and they are golden!!

About 95% of the political ideology of this lobby seems to involve digging fingers into ears, closing eyes and insisting that one's personal reality is not only 'valid' but is the only reality, while abusing and silencing anyone who fails to enable.

And it takes over and utilises anything that it thinks might serve it, without the faintest conscience or interest in what happens to those people in its path. Females, lesbians, homosexuals in general, safeguarding for kids, now intersex people. The pathology of it is getting more and more stark.

This was the 2011/2012 academic year.

I suppose it might be ways of grouping types of DSDs together, just explained really badly? (Or not fully understood by the students after the first lecture, so passed on to me very unclearly?)

So all trans people have diagnosed DSDs then?

Interesting case of someone who was convinced of a self-assigned VSD and then used the news that this was untrue to reinforce those preconceived notions.

"That mask is a potent symbol of her struggle to rip apart preconceived notions of gender and gain recognition of her own gender identity--that biology is not black and white and that shades of gray should be celebrated, not denied.
Xora was raised as a boy and began presenting as a woman when she turned 25. For years, she believed that she had androgen insensitivity syndrome, or AIS, a condition that causes person who is genetically male, with XY chromosomes, to not respond to male hormones. She identified as intersex, and she thought she was lucky to escape to invasive, painful, and often lengthy surgical procedures that other intersex children undergo, a practice that the United Nations has recently denounced as "torture."
Early this year, chromosomal tests showed that Xora was mistakenshe does not have AIS. She says that this only adds to her belief that gender does not exist on a binaryand that neither trans nor intersex people should have the suffer for that.

www.vice.com/en/article/43ggpw/ela-xora-the-trans-artist-and-campaigner-in-the-silver-mask

Transpeople are either male or female.

They are really one & they say they identify as the other.

They aren't identifying as some other thing or they wouldn't be demanding access to facilities, organisations & language intended for males & females.

I thought that was what their entire belief system was based on?

Intersex people have nothing to do with this & I do wish people would respect their wishes & leave them out of it.

Trying to use intersex as some kind of gotcha for the gender ideology argument is fucking stupid even if there was any truth in it. Trans =/= intersex or DSD. Someone with DSD May identify as trans, but if you checked the chromosome of most trans people they would be XX or XY.
I bet if a chromosome tests became part of the requirement for a GRC you could here the reeeeeeeeee from space.

Trying to use intersex as some kind of gotcha for the gender ideology argument is fucking stupid even if there was any truth in it. Trans =/= intersex

Exactly, it's just being put out there to muddy the waters. The dishonesty of the arguments is what gets me the most.

It doesn't SUIT the trans ideology to believe that there is not such thing as binary sex.
They want to align themselves with those living with DSDs so that they can somehow argue for a "mid" position on the sexual "spectrum".
If it's a sliding scale, with male being at one end and female at the other, it means they can pick a point and land somewhere on the line, can't they?

The irony is of course, that DSDs are indeed sex specific. For instance, Klinefelter's is a condition suffered exclusively by males, as is 5ARD. If anything, DSDs PROVE the sexual binary.

Blurring the lines between the sexes all plays into their narrative.
They want women to become fractured from their sex, and that includes the new tendency of using ambiguity and non-clarity when talking about medical or biological matters e.g. people who bleed, chestfeeding, cervix havers etc. If women are not tied to their biology, it also means that MEN can claim that word.

It is always worth noting in threads about DSDs, that the trans population have no more incidence of DSD diagnosis than the rest of the population at large.
There is no link.

DSDs are a genuine, legitimate, provable, documented medical condition.

Trying to piggyback on their anguish and the journeys they have gone through with their conditions, is appalling.
Continuing to use outdated terms like "intersex" also suits them, because it's the "inter" part they covet. Between. Neither one nor the other. Maybe a bit of both,

All impossible of course.

I think the DSD thing has been used because some babies with DSDs have indeed, more so in the past, been "assigned" a sex at birth that it then became apparent later wasn't their true sex. So the trans movement co-opted the idea of being "assigned" a sex to apply everyone, so that a trans person's identity is their true "sex" that was previously wrongly "assigned" on the basis of their body. This only works if you buy into the idea of being "born into the wrong body" and having some innate essence, not just a gender essence but somehow an actual sex, that doesn't match your body. Otherwise why would you need the hormones of the opposite sex, or surgeries, to make your body "match"?

And yet you also magically are the opposite sex just by saying so, and anyone who doesn't see this is a bigot. Which is nothing like what happens with DSDs.

The irony is of course, that DSDs are indeed sex specific. For instance, Klinefelter's is a condition suffered exclusively by males, as is 5ARD. If anything, DSDs PROVE the sexual binary.

A minor aside - but I think it's interesting.

A few of the conditions we think of simply as DSDs can technically occur in either sex - for example 5-ARD.

But when a woman has that genetic mutation that stops DHT production, it's not a problem. She doesn't need DHT - she doesn't require virilisation, and the fact she couldn't develop a male reproductive system without DHT isn't an issue!

So 5-ARD doesn't cause a sexual development disorder for women - it only causes a DSD for men.

(I believe most other DSDs are fundamentally issues around X and Y chromosome misconfigurations, like Klinefelters, so if you have one of those disorders you are inevitably the sex resulting from that X/Y combination; 5-ARD is a bit unusual in being independent of XX/XY. Conceivably an individual could have 5-ARD in conjunction with an XY disorder like Klinefelters).

Modern culture has a vested interest in pretending that only female and male exist

Nope, that's "The human race has a vested interest in recognising that only female and male exist". FFS!

Yup, I suspect that this "two spirit" stuff basically comes down to: 1) some societies are more open to accepting (predominantly male) homosexuality, but 2) those same societies see those homosexual men as "not real men" and so create a new category for them. Given that homosexuality is now recognised and legally protected, part 2 is NOT a route we should now seek to go down, IMHO. Odd that the UK's (former) leading LGB campaigning organisation should be arguing otherwise...!

She doesn't understand what this "diversity" represented or why it existed in those cultures. Nor does she ask whether it was a positive social construct, she just assumes it was.

yawn. I've in the past worked with a woman who was Xo, turner's syndrome, she was absolutely a woman, and her differences of development were very much real and of a physical nature. I've also worked with a bloke who had, whatsit called, an extra Y chromosome, again, he was absolutely a man, one with very tangible differences of development. cases like theirs have less than nothing to do with trans or LGB etc issues, they're an entirely different kettle of fish.

Yes, that was my first thought.

I'm an intelligent person (I have certificates to prove it), but that article makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

What on earth does she mean?

And what sort of ‘intersex’?

puffyisgood · Yesterday 23:27
Tr: ‘intersex’:people with DSDs
cases like theirs have less than nothing to do with trans or LGB etc issues, they're an entirely different kettle of fish.

Yes, and they’ve [DSD Families] specifically asked not to be conflated with Trans.

Stonewall knows this. They even allude to it in their glossary. What can she be thinking?

It seems like an insistence on keeping this word in the public’s mind to shore up the fallacy and confusion that sex has multiple possibilities/there are not two sexes. It is more or less immoral now given her position.

What I don't understand is the "coming out as intersex". Surely you receive a diagnosis of DSD and then you decide who you would like to share this diagnosis with - ranging from everyone you can reach (thanks social media) to friends to on a case by case etc. I find it weird - and unpleasant - that people with disorders etc are now appropriating the traditional language of LGB. Are diabetics now going to talk about "coming out as diabetic"? Is nothing of LGB culture going to be left alone?

There are millions of genders.

There are two sexes.

The wilful confusion between "gender" - what we used to call "personality". and sex - set at conception, unchangeable.

To the detriment of women and girls.

I had misunderstood before and thought Nancy Kelly herself had said that, not just tweeted the quote (to promote the trans agenda that ‘Intersex’ / DSDs ‘prove’ that sex is not binary).