Woman told by PSCO that her thinking is wrong and she needs to educate herself.

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Woman is visited by a PSCO and told to remove an "offensive" sticker, told that her thinking is wrong and that she needs to educate herself. Also that TWAW is a fact.

FFS what the fuck is going on...

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This is so appalling. The “interview” is distressing to listen to. Goodness knows how distressing it was for the woman being harassed. I hope the woman harassed by the PCSO is going to make a complaint.

That PCSO needs to be reprimanded, and retrained. Her ignorance is deeply disturbing, and her dictatorial approach, and lack of critical thinking are no credit to the police force.

This tweet encapsulates it.

Pauls sex not gender🦖 💚🤍💜🦕
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"The PCSO has been trained in gender identity ideology. She sincerely believes the false equivalence with racism. This training is almost certainly because the police
are indoctrinated via stonewall. It is this which makes us all unsafe."

It is.

She obviously doesn't care about bullying fragile rape survivors about their trauma. But she would have nothing to go on, if she hadn't been indoctrinated.

All the same old tropes came out, which we know are the result of 'training'. And, in every single case, they stop short of any sort of explanation, so the person intoning them has to resort to telling their audience to look at all up for themself.

I honestly don't get it. It would be a piece of piss to get any number of feminist activist groups to write some proper, legally compliant training.

Farm it out to every police force in the country, job done.

Just the one course. For every police force, every NHS trust, schools and universities.

Well, yes. If that is the case, then it goes back to my early point about police training.

I must say I'm pretty stunned at the obvious inability of the PCSO to recognise that her personal beliefs are bugger all to do with the situation in the context. We don't just act ultra vires because we fancy like it, or because someone has done or said something we don't like.

That the PCSO fails to see this is very troubling. What exactly does this PCSO believe the role to be? And why has that not been challenged by her training?

So how come the other two officers - who presumably the same training, didn’t act like a little red guard?

someone has too little training, too little knowledge, no compassion and a massive god complex.

It also speaks volumes that the woman concerned is afraid to take it forward because of potential repercussions FROM THE POLICE.

But she would have nothing to go on, if she hadn't been indoctrinated. All the same old tropes came out, which we know are the result of 'training'.

Well, I'm sure a couple of training courses aren't sufficient to reach that level of zealotry.

It's more likely to be a case of hiring a devoted genderologist, and then giving all the staff genderology training, effectively giving a green light to that person with the message "we full approve of your ideology and mission". Thus she feels no compunction about hammering on people's door to spread the Word as if it's part of her job.

The fact that such people are in the workforce with such entrenched views demonstrates that there's at least as much need for gender-critical training, to stop genderologists getting themselves and the force into trouble.

I*'ve just listened to the recording. And shortly before, I was listening to an adaptation of Le Guin's Earthsea, Tehanu, and reading along with it. And that appalling PCSO (ours is lovely, BTW) is blurring into the character Aspen, a very nasty mage showing how he is superior to Ged and to the woman Tenar. Le Guin must have met folk like thi PCSO. And wished a dragon down on them
I hope that this person does get the message that whoever taught her what she is spouting was wrong.

That PCSO needs to be reprimanded, and retrained. Her ignorance is deeply disturbing, and her dictatorial approach, and lack of critical thinking are no credit to the police force.

That PCSO needs to sacked and not allowed to join any other Police Force, retraining someone that deeply embedded in Gender Ideology is a waste of time, that PCSO will never be able to police impartially therefore they should not be policing at all.

"Well, I'm sure a couple of training courses aren't sufficient to reach that level of zealotry."

This was my feeling too. Normally, in the civil service, you get courses on equalities etc to train you on how to interact with people, and for people, with protected characteristics as per legislation.

This incident sounds as though the PCSO has been encouraged to act in a way that far supersedes any of that style of PSED training, or indeed, actual training about the relevant legislation.

Which then begs the question: just exactly what the hell is going on? And is this happening in policing incidents pertaining to different spheres of law?

That's an excellent idea. But I suspect anything that is a 'feminist group' is considered a 'hate group' by the current orthodoxy, and would not be entertained.

Very sensible to take her time and consider how she wishes to proceed. If you happen to read this, Bella, know that nobody who cares about fairness would put pressure on you to do, or not do, anything. Only support here.

The Lib Dem councillor is also a giant arse. The police should not be knocking on people's doors to re-educate them on their political views, full stop. That is not the role of the police, unless you want to live in the GDR.

As for 'provocative,' an author has just been left with life-changing injuries because many people found one of his novels provocative. I guess that's all right then, if the poor dears were a bit upset.

The claim that this sticker was more provocative than one that says, for example, 'Vote Conservative' or 'Ban the Hunt,' is really an acknowledgement that transactivists are more likely to react with disproportionate virulence to any dissent from their orthodoxy. In that light, even the original visit from the two police officers, who warned this woman that her sticker could attract trouble, was a bit sinister.

But the good news is… with all the publicity, at least one PCSO will be getting a bit hit under the collar. I hope their more sensible colleagues have dobbed them in because this really isn’t helping the police image.

The two officers were PCs and have proper training. The PCSO are community support, they don't have the training and won't have the same experience. They were basically doorstepping this lady like a gender zealot for no reason, I'd be surprised if a PC would do that.

They aren't the police but as PP has said, possibly influenced by the Stonewalling within the force.

I'd be surprised if a PC would do that

Remember PC Gull who told Harry Millar that they needed to check his thinking. Also the officers who recently arrested the Hampshire veteran for reposting a swastika meme on Facebook.
Also I wonder whether or not the two officers who visited Kelly J's home recently, to accuse her of being "untoward about paedophiles", were PCs?

Also that's just the tip of the iceberg!

details on misconduct in public office ….

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/misconduct-public-office

Definition of the Offence
The elements of the offence are summarised in Attorney General's Reference No 3 of 2003 [2004] EWCA Crim 868.

The offence is committed when:

a public officer acting as such;

wilfully neglects to perform his duty and/or wilfully misconducts himself;

to such a degree as to amount to an abuse of the public's trust in the office holder;

without reasonable excuse or justification.

i believe she needs to be sacked or permanently moved from a public facing role and retrained on equalities. This needs to act as a sharp public deterrent to other officers

Remember PC Gull who told Harry Millar that they needed to check his thinking.

It's interesting how these police officers want to police people's thoughts. When I had a "transphobia" complaint made against me to my employer, the anonymous-to me coward complainant asserted that "LuftBallon should not be permitted to continue her post if she retains these her opinions."

It was scary at the time, but writing it down like that just shows what little fascists they are.

God that’s horrible. Do you know who it was? What happened?

At this point it'd be a freaking step up if we were covered for the purposes of crime.

Absolutely this!

After all these years it takes a lot to shock me. If you haven't listened or read it (somehow it's worse in print) do so.
Not one for calling for sackings but that PCSO rainbow lanyard wearing bully should be nowhere near the police force.
So distressing to read. That poor woman. Cannot believe it really. Sack her.

@Treaclemine
Just jumbled up the end of your post as I read it & thought you were wishing a dragon onto the PCSO 🤦‍♀️

Between that & repeatedly reading “[police] farce” rather than “[police] force” am a bit worried my brain has overheated & stopped working.

(Also, Treacle Mine? Do you also dabble in Pork Futures? Belong to a Guild?)

Has this bully been sacked yet? Has anyone made an official.compalint to whoever is responsible for them?

Gross misconduct, targeting someone and harassing them, on multiple occasions.