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Globe Theatre makes Joan of Arc non-binary in new play

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ChristinaXYZ · 11/08/2022 21:27

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/11/globe-theatre-makes-joan-arc-non-binary-new-play/

"Joan of Arc is represented as non-binary in the Globe show, and the pronouns of the French patron saint have been changed to “they/them” rather than “she/her”.

Women’s rights campaigners have raised concerns that the move is another example of female figures being “erased” from history.

Promotional material for the “powerful and joyous new play” sets the scene: “Rebelling against the world’s expectations, questioning the gender binary, Joan finds their power and their belief spreads like fire.”

The play is written by writer Charlie Josephine, whose web biography states: “My pronouns are they/he. I’m an actor and a writer."

The Telegraph writers, who like The Spectator staff, know their stuff on this and have included a Women's Place comment too:

"Campaigner group Women’s Place UK said in a statement on the issue: “Women are getting really tired of being erased from history and having our achievements diminished.

“Joan of Arc was an astonishing woman who rebelled against the authoritarian oppression she faced for being female.

“Theatre has a fine tradition of inverting reality to encourage us to look at life differently but the fact remains that Joan of Arc was a woman and was persecuted as such.”"

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 03/09/2022 10:20

Ah you know how it works Bernard - trans people are just you know better than the rest of us 😆but it’s definitely not aping religion in anyway 🤪

Justme56 · 03/09/2022 10:21

And outside …

Globe Theatre makes Joan of Arc non-binary in new play
TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 03/09/2022 10:22

And Josephine has written a refined lesson in the trans experience: the horrors of having to explain your being, the sense of misplacement, but with beauty and wonder too.

omg that review. I would just like to let all trans people who relate to these sentences know that you don’t have to “explain your being.” Honestly. No one will mind if you stop doing it.

KittenKong · 03/09/2022 10:36

How is she supposed to be trans?

WandaWomblesaurus · 03/09/2022 10:36

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 03/09/2022 10:12

from the guardian review:

Beginning with a monologue on the divinity of trans people

good heavens

Isn't this the agenda all along? The divinity of trans people.
Does Joan cut her breasts off? And then pose like Saint Sebastian with scars as martyr to the trans religion?

Because that's what's happening now across the internet.

ZandathePanda · 03/09/2022 10:41

To be fair it’s got fairly good reviews. The dancing sounds like it’s good but the main criticisms is that it is a bit repetitive and preachy. The thing about trans people being divine made me laugh.

This bit from a Timeout review also made me chuckle:
But Josephine’s largely joyous romp is about as much an earnest historical character study as the film ‘Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter’.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/09/2022 10:58

omg that review. I would just like to let all trans people who relate to these sentences know that you don’t have to “explain your being.” Honestly. No one will mind if you stop doing it.

Well quite! Please stop causing yourself such an ordeal.

Imnobody4 · 03/09/2022 12:04

And Josephine has written a refined lesson in the trans experience: the horrors of having to explain your being, the sense of misplacement, but with beauty and wonder too.

Doesn't that apply to every single human being, who doesn't feel misunderstood and misplaced at least sometimes?

AgnestaVipers · 03/09/2022 16:55

Kennykenkencat · 03/09/2022 01:15

What has ladylike behaviour got to do with being a woman,

Or why does wearing trousers means you aren't a woman

'Twas a joke. I tend toward the deadpan.

KatVonlabonk · 11/09/2022 09:27

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/49edff2c-2de4-11ed-87ef-187fe74370da?shareToken=ff14805c6375cd13b58ce31adb971353

"Here is a Joan who stoically endures arrow wounds yet takes umbrage — right, that’s it, I’m off to burn at the stake — because courtiers will not use her preferred pronouns."

LITERAL VIOLENCE

😆

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 11/09/2022 09:58

“queerness is pure magic"
God is mentioned, but it is “not a churchy God”, but the “omigod, oh yes God”

Every quote I've ever seen from or about this play makes it sound so juvenile. I mean I know Joan was a teenager, that doesn't mean that her story is best told by teenagers. And the perps sound so uneducated, too - referring to Joan as "working class" was one hell of a clanger.

It just weirds me out how so many presumably skilled and talented people have come together and collaborated on something so stupid.

KittenKong · 11/09/2022 09:59

Immature and rather silly perhaps?

joan wasn’t stripping around like Kevin the teenager for gods sake.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2022 10:19

Hahaha what a pile of wank Quentin Letts makes it sound.

KatVonlabonk · 11/09/2022 10:54

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2022 10:19

Hahaha what a pile of wank Quentin Letts makes it sound.

I know, crying 🤣🤣🤣

JeanGabin · 11/09/2022 18:34

I liked they've 'rewritten it so that the Maid of Orléans is now less binary'
Great review!

WolverineBluey · 11/09/2022 21:10

"The education camp of state-subsidised theatre" Grin

DameMaud · 11/09/2022 21:45

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2022 10:19

Hahaha what a pile of wank Quentin Letts makes it sound.

Has anyone got a share token pretty please or have I missed that up thread?

WolverineBluey · 11/09/2022 21:53

KatVonlablonk's link a few posts back worked for me.

DameMaud · 11/09/2022 21:54

WolverineBluey · 11/09/2022 21:53

KatVonlablonk's link a few posts back worked for me.

Thanks Wolverine. Will get searching

DameMaud · 11/09/2022 22:00

DameMaud · 11/09/2022 21:54

Thanks Wolverine. Will get searching

That was soooo worth it 😂

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