Tavistock clinic to be sued by 1000 families

[WarriorN]

Times article I've just seen...

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tavistock-gender-clinic-to-be-sued-by-1-000-families-lbsw6k8zd

I'm afraid I don't have access but the headline alone...

I'm assuming it's for overly enthusiastic affirmative care and not the opposite?

I've been on a knife edge for years because I have a vulnerable niece who is absolutely fantastic but so, so likely to just join in. The one saving grace is that due to her situation she isn't in school and hasn't been since lockdown so the vultures haven't got to her. I am hoping beyond hope that this all tumbles before she is coached back into an education establishment and falls for it. I can't think what you must have been going through.

I know so many well meaning supposedly thoughtful people who have just jumped on this without any reflection whatsoever

The sheeple are beginning to wake up now due to the glorious sunlight flooding in.

I heard one of the lawyers discussing this with Mike Graham on Talk radio.

Tbh she wasn't great and didn't seem across it.

She said the Tavi had been shut down and care was now in regional hubs. She seemed to think this had already happened.

She talked about detransitioners returning to the gender they previously identified with.

She confused sex and gender.

They don't seem to be deep into understanding the issue which is a bit worrying. They're obviously not deep into yet in the way Suella Braverman had obviously done the extensive work yesterday.

They need transgender trend advising quickly.

Personally, I think it could easily be 1000. Of the children who have gone down a lifelong medical pathway because of an unevidenced ideology, technically, it could be all of them.

Ideologically driven medical treatment has no place in the NHS.

Although they treated 19,000 children, only a percentage of those will have medical intervention. If any of the reasons for that had anything to do with trans ideology, then that's a basis for litigation.

Like a previous poster, the feeling of being let down is grim. This fucking shit has been pushed in schools, universities, across social media, by the fucking BBC, the girl guides, the NHS, the police. Bloody everywhere. Everywhere these children and their parents turned.

Even on here we were not allowed to share photos of girls' arms shaved to the bone to create a roll of flesh to sew onto a girl's crotch, to look like a 'penis'. It was deemed too shocking.

Personally, I think the number of people who could be sued over this, is never fucking ending.

Whoever becomes the next PM (Truss or Sunak or) we have seen women's and children's safeguarding rights come to the fore in the Conservative leadership campaign against the backdrop of a long process of events seemingly kicked off behind the scenes in Johnson's Government in response to all the campaigning by women and people like Graham Linehan over the years....we must all hold the new UK Government cabinet to account on these issues...time to seize the day.

"Let down by the NHS, not just the Tavi, but the language, rainbow lanyards, single gender wards etc, rather than focus on their core role."

In my experience, the focus on "decorative" and trivial policies comes about when managers and senior leaders don't want to make difficult or complex decisions, or discuss them, or even think about them. It's a kind of procrastination whereby visual change camouflages the structural problems and the lack of deep work underneath.

A manager who is deeply engaged with structural problems does not have the time or the inclination to sign off on policies that do not solve said structural problems, because they tend to view new policies that do not solve integral problems as "further noise" that complicates the picture.

In this way, it is interesting to note the entities where the rainbow has most permeated visually: the Police, the NHS, schools etc -- all institutions within society that are struggling with considerable structural issues over service delivery, and the quality of that service.

Now look at where you don't really see the rainbow much.

Says it all really.

Gosh @GatherlyGal it's good to hear real positive impact from all this for your Dd.

I was actually weeping this morning knowing that thousands of families will finally see justice for what Tavistock has put them through.

Even 10 ex patients suing them would be cause for concern imo.

ASK ABOUT WPATH.

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Government in response to all the campaigning by women and people like Graham Linehan over the years....

The vindication coming Graham's way is going to be like something we have never seen before, I think he's right and we'll be seeing full-page newspaper adverts from organizations/people apologising.

@GatherlyGal you must truly relieved. We never made it to the Tavi with my DD, now 17. She’s still presenting male in her clothes but talk of other interventions have faded away. We are waiting for a ND review for her which IMO will answer a lot of questions about why, in her words, she is odd and not like lots of other girls. Those families that have gone through it and trusted the Tavi though, I can’t imagine how they must feel realising it was mainly activist led.

The payouts won't be huge because it will only be psychological damage even if that is proven. The puberty blockers are usually reversible. Surgery would be another matter. Sounds more likely greedy no win no fee class action.

I am alarmed by the number of educators on #edutwitter tweeting about how they plan to defy the Attorney General's advice re gender ID ideology in schools or have suggested that her comments yesterday were unclear

twitter.com/shivandavis/status/1557610097588805633?s=21&t=1Lq-genJZEj5xtCGEceXVg

Thread by Shivan Davis, a lone GC star among edutwitter idiots. Many rt ing to draw attention of this to Suella et al.

Sounds more likely greedy no win no fee class action

Sounds like an NHS Trust that based medical treatment for minors on ideology, rather than evidence, being held to account.

I've argued elsewhere that it will probably be willfully ignored until Ofsted have a hard line about it and possibly KCSIE is explicit in this. The unions need to get their act together too.

Sorry possibly wrong thread but relevant!

Lawyer on the radio was talking about psychogical damage well into adulthood with impact on career and earnings.

Also surely a case will be made that as 99% of those on blockers went onto cross sex hormones, children were put on pathways which in practice were irreversible.

Yes WPATH is the one.

Known side effects of GrNH agonists (aka puberty blockers):

• problems with bone density including osteoporosis and loss of teeth
• mental health issues including suicidality
• up to 10 point drop in IQ
• possible blindness
• sterility

Tell me more about how these are reversible?

Her post was so inspirational. Her daughter so lucky to have such a strong mother and father. It must have been horrendous for them.

But puberty blockers also do damage. And what about hormones !

A class action is likley to cast a wide net.
The Trust as provider, the NHS as a funder, the doctors so as to prevent a get out of jail card claim that the HCP acted independently and/or made professional errors.

One problems is that in each case they have to admit wrongdoing. But it is to what degree that admission accepts that harm was caused by preventable error that determines the settlement payout.
Thats where cases end up in court.

I heard one of the lawyers discussing this with Mike Graham on Talk radio.

Tbh she wasn't great and didn't seem across it.

I just watched her interview and thought she appeared very intelligent and knowledgeable of the situation.

Maybe you just have a problem with female lawyers?

Looking forward to my mealy-mouthed, rainbow-flag-waving friends starting to row back from this stuff. I have a long memory though.