Concept of ‘exclusively same sex attracted’

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I have seen various people on this forum say that to be gay or a lesbian is to be ‘exclusively same sex attracted’, and that therefore, for example, a woman who is attracted to or in a relationship with a trans woman cannot correctly describe herself as a lesbian.

Setting aside the problems with presuming to correct another person’s understanding of their own identity, I can’t see how this absolutist approach is logically sustainable. If I am a non-trans woman who has only ever - to my knowledge - been attracted to other non-trans women, but then am attracted to and get off with a woman in a bar who I subsequently find out is trans, do I immediately stop being a lesbian? What if I don’t stop finding the trans woman attractive after learning that she’s trans? What if I never find out she was trans - is it the case that I have ceased being a lesbian, but will never know this?

At least, it should be.

But we've had these discussions on here before. Women's boundaries are up for discussion, and other people's judgements on whether or not it is acceptable for women to - be attracted to women, or find men's bodies disgusting, etc.

Women are obliged to explain their orientation and preference to nobody.

You've hit the nail on the head PeriodBro it is the presumption of yes which seems to be hardwired in (some) men that male trait doesn't diminish when they declare they have changed sex, odd that.

A well known TW who appeared on Big Brother gave a very good demonstration of this - the affront they took at being turned down by another (male) contestant was educational to say the least.

This thread. Fucking hell.

A whole thread of trying to undermine the right of women to be exclusively same sex attracted. Trying to undermine the concept of exclusive same sex attraction. Trying to deny women who are exclusively same sex attracted the right to a name for their sexual orientation, not to be confused with any other type of sexual orientation.

And you pretend OP that it’s about allowing women who are attracted to people of both sexes as long as those people “present as” women to define themselves as lesbians if that’s how they wish to define themselves.

No. It’s not. Your agenda is blindingly clear, and blindingly offensive.

Adult human females exclusively attracted to other adult human females no longer have a name for themselves, for their sexual orientation. And you are trying to make out they're some kind of weird substrata of lesbians, not what everyone has understood to be lesbians for ages and ages.

Such bullshit. It’s grotesque. I’ve been disgusted with your “everyone’s bisexual at heart” bollocks before now, but this thread is a new low, even for you.

And this article isn’t “very interesting”, it’s queer theory addled shite.

“Or put another way: there have always been sexual instincts throughout the animal world (sex). But at a specific point in time, humans attached meaning to these instincts (sexuality). When humans talk about heterosexuality, we’re talking about the second thing.”

Disingenuous arsery. Claiming to speak for all humans, indeed!

On the contrary, for most people when they talk about heterosexuality they are quite simply talking about those instincts, pure and simple. That’s what sexuality is. It’s not what meaning you attach to it, it’s the fact of who you want to have sex with.

If this is the kind of PoMo drivel you read and take seriously, no wonder you have such a hard time grasping what people’s real life experiences are.

And this article isn’t “very interesting”, it’s queer theory addled shite.

As has been every other "interesting" article posted by OP to back up her genderist views.

😂to be fair, I did ask my partner about her philosophical and moral views on incest on our second date, and later told her I’d worried she was ‘vacuous’ because of her lack of views on the subject. I wouldn’t normally bring these things up on the bus though.

“😂”

Yeah, CSA is so hilarious.

Do you wonder why some of us have Langcleg in our usernames years after she was banned? She really understands safeguarding children, gaslighting and coercive control, that's why.

Did anyone mention CSA?

You don’t get that incest (in the context here) is CSA?

Yes, OP has form for this.

This thread will rumble on and on until we accept that everyone deep down is bisexual.

That's why I said it will go to 1k. Because many people aren't going to accept this.

💜

I miss Langcleg. I flounced off to Spinster when she was banned but the site wasn’t very user friendly so I came back here.

I can assure you I wasn’t asking my gf’s views on incest involving children, the moral position on that is entirely clear.

The moral position on denial of same sex attraction is also entirely clear. It's homophobic not to accept that there are people who are only attracted to their own sex. It's weirdly out of touch not to accept that there are people only attracted to the opposite sex.

Also any person ,knowing they have a male body, who deliberately seeks out lesbians is frankly beneath contempt.

And to try to undermine it as not 'logically sustainable' via hypothetical what-ifs (which appear not to ring true with lesbians on the thread) .... wtf would anyone reasonable want to do that?

I see we're onto tee hee incest lolz as supposedly now an important point in this never ending bullshit.

I think I'll leave you to play to your gallery at this point OP. <waves to Twitter>

So is acceptance of incest a test on how edgy you are?

I think out of just about everything I have read from this poster historically and now, ‘ I did ask my partner about her philosophical and moral views on incest on our second date, and later told her I’d worried she was ‘vacuous’ because of her lack of views on the subject. ‘, probably says all that needs to be said.

I'm actually using this thread as a place for feminist grassroots consciousness-raising, in the old '70s 2nd Wave way:
women talking to women, being utterly frank
empowering and encouraging each other
to speak up
to demand
to act
to say NO to men in women and lesbians same-sex spaces, sports, scholarships/setasides

D'you think mn towers would compile a book from some of these threads? Or have awards, with categories. There are gems amongst these posts.

Actually it was because she mentioned she was doing a philosophy course, and I had not long since completed my degree, a large element of which was philosophy, and I thought the illegality of sexual relationships between consenting adult siblings, even where they had not grown up together, raised interesting ethical questions.

The gift that keeps on giving