80 year old woman banned from pool for standing up for little girls

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This poor woman dedicated her life to defending women and girls. She heard a male voice while in the shower at her local pool, looked out and saw a TW changing near 4 or 5 little girls while staring at them. She stepped in, asked if the TW had a penis, and got banned and the pool staff threatened to call police on her. They lied and said she said all kinds of profane things. This is so disgusting. I feel so bad for her.

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That footage is horrible. Certainly put Port Townshend on the map - and its idiot Mayor.

I think tranwomen need to be accepted and not discriminated against. If they have suffered, they need mental health support

Don't ya ever get tired of this little disclaimer. We have to keep saying it every time. Truth is they for the most part these days are accepted. The law lso protects them.

The issues are never i saw a transaomN on the bus today " or " i share a desk with a transwomen " simple every day things that dont affect anyone. Those are ver ehats being discussed

The issues are simply when their demands become unreasonable. When our speech gets dictated. When our spaces get invaded by males

We really shouldn't have to keep saying this little disclaimer every time. Its so exhausting don't ya think. We can't say anything unless we offer sone recognition that we think an adult human male has somehow had a harder life than everyone else merely for existing as they do. Its such a lie.

I agree. I mean, it goes without saying, doesn't it, that right-thinking people abhor discrimination, respect the law and wish for appropriate support for anyone who is vulnerable/suffering.
We only seem to have to spell it out when talking about trans-identifying men (and, more rarely, trans-identifying women.)

I think it constantly plays into the same narrative tras seem to have which is ignoring the fact that there's a middle gound between accepting everything and anything that is demanded bi matter how unreasonable with a smile on our faces or wishing people dead in a grease fire.

What in hell is wrong with that crawling on the ground dude?

I think I mean that non-rhetorically. What is WRONG with him? I’ve never seen a human being act like that. I can’t even think what drugs might bring on that behaviour. Spice, if it hit him funny? But I’ve a horrible feeling he might not even be on drugs. He’s in a trance of violent misogyny.

Yes, unless we're going to also start saying we think that women also need support if they have suffered.

All of which should go without saying.

The constant restating of this obvious, basic fact (like 'trans rights are human rights' - there's a truism if ever I heard one) seems to me to be protesting too much.

OF COURSE trans people should not be discriminated against.

Maybe we need to start saying 'I don't think anyone should be murdered' just as a matter of course, in general conversation.

It just turns a conversation about women and girls usually about men/males. That's the whole point really. I mean if people are too daft to realise that a discussion that doesn't involve them does not translate into wishing them dead/non-existent etc then should we really be pandering to that kind of paranoia /inability to help themselves anyway?

We have merely been conditioned into centreing men/males at every turn. Perhaps we should just stop.its not like any of them consider us at any point is it.

Exactly this.

Helen Saxby has tweeted yesterday about a woman who has had a mastectomy and was using the local swimming pool womens only sessions because she doesn't feel comfortable in mixed sex sessions. A man in swimming trunks joined the group (directly contravenes the womens dress code on signage at the pools in Leicester council run facilities), when they asked staff they were told this man self identifies as a woman.

As a result the cancer survivor who has had a mastectomy and several of the Muslim women attending feel that they can no longer use the sessions.

So their protected characteristics of Sex, Disability and Religion are pushed aside for a male presenting self identified woman.

How is that acceptable?

Why don't you care about how the actual women & girls feel @Didimum?

Why do you only think the men & the people who want to take womens money while expecting them to be treated like second class citizens are the ones who get to decide?

@Namerchangerextraordinaire I can, and do, care about both. A private company, within the limits of the law, can operate however it wants to.

The example given was for a council run pool not a privately run one.

There are some data in this report. Section 4 looks to be the most relevant and that confirms that females are more likely to be victims of CSA: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/childsexualabuseinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2019#what-do-we-know-about-the-prevalence-of-sexual-abuse-during-childhood

Ok, so you're fine with mixed facilities, but why should your opinion be above women and girls who are not OK and have concerns? We all have different opinions and boundaries, so the baseline that we all know of comfort, privacy and safety is surely common sense to protect those who are not ok?

I don't understand why women so readily support males and yet are so dismissive of their fellow females.

I didn’t say my opinion should be above them, I simply stated what my opinion is.

I am supportive of marginalised minorities who are at risk of harmful discrimination. I weigh that risk against other risks and against other discriminated groups when there is conflict.

Men first - clear as day. Never understood why the feelings of one small group are prioritised over the safety and dignity of the majority.

You don’t have to understand it. It doesn’t mean it isn’t valid. It’s also erroneous to conflate the ‘safety and dignity’ of the majority and the opinion of the majority.

It's 'valid' to prioritise males over females? How come?

I weigh that risk against other risks and against other discriminated groups when there is conflict.

So based on that statement why do you always prioritise males?

I don’t.

Validity of opinion arguments aside, ‘prioritising males over females’ is an oversimplification of the issue.

You do.
You are a prolific poster and you always put males above females. You even put adult males above female children.

You don’t have to understand it. It doesn’t mean it isn’t valid. It’s also erroneous to conflate the ‘safety and dignity’ of the majority and the opinion of the majority.

Why is it valid for the feelings of a small group of males to be prioritised over the safety and dignity of another disadvantaged group, Didimum?

Hardly a prolific poster. I’ve commented on perhaps 3-4 posts in this section total. I may I have answered many questions on said posts, because stand-alone voices tend to get more questions directed at them.

I don’t require you to tell me what my opinions and priorities are.

Didimum

You use word salad in order to make yourself neutral on this board but all it does is show your true colours. You just play passionate posters in order to report them and get them deleted.

You always prioritise males especially males who have she/her pronouns. You view them as a minority and conveniently forget they are male when faced with facts.

I see you Didimum as so does everyone else.

Because I think it is. I’m not wasting further time re-engaging on a thread I haven’t engaged in for two full weeks. Knock yourself out trying to illicit a response. See ya.