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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

80 year old woman banned from pool for standing up for little girls

467 replies

Misstache · 05/08/2022 04:42

This poor woman dedicated her life to defending women and girls. She heard a male voice while in the shower at her local pool, looked out and saw a TW changing near 4 or 5 little girls while staring at them. She stepped in, asked if the TW had a penis, and got banned and the pool staff threatened to call police on her. They lied and said she said all kinds of profane things. This is so disgusting. I feel so bad for her.

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TheBiologyStupid · 05/08/2022 18:08

HooverIsAlwaysBroken · 05/08/2022 17:59

No worries at all @LK1972 , I am just trying to use inclusive language and really show my full acceptance of transpeople and all forms of gender.

as long as you are AFAB, I think a huge gender diversity should be welcome in every single space!!

😂

Lovelyricepudding · 05/08/2022 18:20

These males are just as much a women as the female kind, in fact your sex has nothing to do with your body and if you identify as a woman your sex is, and always was, female.

Isn't it strange how that breaks down when it comes to surrogacy?

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 05/08/2022 18:31

Lovelyricepudding · 05/08/2022 18:20

These males are just as much a women as the female kind, in fact your sex has nothing to do with your body and if you identify as a woman your sex is, and always was, female.

Isn't it strange how that breaks down when it comes to surrogacy?

Not just surrogacy.

Sex only seems to become this hazy, changeable, difficult to define thing when men want to become women.

There seems to be no problem identifying biological sex when it comes to Female Genital Mutilations, Infanticide or abandoning baby girls because they aren't as good as boys. Pretty sure none of the women and girls being forced into marriage, beaten, raped or sexually abused are being asked to state their gender identity first, their biological sex seems to be the common denominator there.
Actually I don't remember anyone asking if I identify as a man before paying my male colleagues more than me or promoting less qualified men into positions I should have been given.

Weird that isn't it?

TheBiologyStupid · 05/08/2022 18:42

Weird that isn't it?

YY, uncannily unerring in those situations, FatAgain.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2022 19:14

I am envisioning full acceptance and with all spaces exclusively for AFAB and AMAB - and all genders in those categories welcome

Have you seen this? I don't see why anyone should object at all but of course they do

https://twitter.com/_crymiariver/status/1555333537703796738?s=21&t=DHa7ETlqPBNYaG2Gw7AbhA

FunnyTalks · 05/08/2022 19:26

The day a wealthy male celebrity pays £££s to try and use an impoverished transwoman as a surrogate is the day I believe that TRAs truly believe the mantras they chant.

LK1972 · 05/08/2022 19:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2022 19:14

I am envisioning full acceptance and with all spaces exclusively for AFAB and AMAB - and all genders in those categories welcome

Have you seen this? I don't see why anyone should object at all but of course they do

https://twitter.com/_crymiariver/status/1555333537703796738?s=21&t=DHa7ETlqPBNYaG2Gw7AbhA

I agree with one of the comments on that Twitter thread-'it's just genderspeak for men and women'.

And am shocked, I tell you, shocked that some people are still not happy with that Wink

LK1972 · 05/08/2022 19:30

FunnyTalks · 05/08/2022 19:26

The day a wealthy male celebrity pays £££s to try and use an impoverished transwoman as a surrogate is the day I believe that TRAs truly believe the mantras they chant.

Ooh, they all real hope that the science advances so far as to give men ability to carry babies (I've seen some stating that would also like to have access to abortion in this situation, so that's why they're very pro-choice) 🤷‍♀️

Helleofabore · 05/08/2022 19:57

LK1972 · 05/08/2022 17:49

'So the flag and Pride posters were the ‘sign’ that males were allowed access to that area that should be safe for females' - yes @Helleofabore, that is how I interpreted YMCA management response, as reported in the article.

Again, do we want that association/interpretation to be acceptable in UK?

As a bisexual mother of 3 non-straight children I would disagree.

Do we want that association? I don’t.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2022 21:21

And am shocked, I tell you, shocked that some people are still not happy with that

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EsmaCannonball · 05/08/2022 22:07

So now it's been reported, and seemingly confirmed by the YMCA, that the male employee was actually tasked with supervising young girls at a day-camp as they used the locker room. Were the parents informed about this? Can you imagine how much abusers are going to be drawn to this loophole?

LK1972 · 05/08/2022 22:11

@EsmaCannonball 'So now it's been reported, and seemingly confirmed by the YMCA, that the male employee was actually tasked with supervising young girls at a day-camp as they used the locker room'

Have you got a link, pretty please 🙏 Sorry, being lazy and need to make G&T Blush

LunaLights · 06/08/2022 00:40

EsmaCannonball · 05/08/2022 22:07

So now it's been reported, and seemingly confirmed by the YMCA, that the male employee was actually tasked with supervising young girls at a day-camp as they used the locker room. Were the parents informed about this? Can you imagine how much abusers are going to be drawn to this loophole?

This just gets more and more chilling…. That is horrifying!

Helleofabore · 06/08/2022 03:56

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

If you plug in the woman’s name, there are other articles. All written by different people across different media.

All saying the same thing.

All reporting the writers have checked separately with the Police and with Erin Hawkins from the YMCA.

Perhaps you don’t like the website Reduxx, but you are showing your own prejudice against it here. If you cannot show examples why we should not read the site with the same degree of confidence that you read any non-mainstream site (ie. any mature adult would check for other sources on everything they read these days), maybe stop denouncing it based on your own clearly biased views.

Helleofabore · 06/08/2022 04:08

EsmaCannonball · 05/08/2022 22:07

So now it's been reported, and seemingly confirmed by the YMCA, that the male employee was actually tasked with supervising young girls at a day-camp as they used the locker room. Were the parents informed about this? Can you imagine how much abusers are going to be drawn to this loophole?

I have now read several articles and yes, the male was supervising. Bringing me back to the questions I asked early on, do the parents of these girls understand that a male was going to be supervising them dressing?

There has also now been further clarification that the shower curtains are gappy and can be seen through. And the pool management acknowledge this.

The pool expects females to contort their bodies for their own sense of privacy as well! In a previously female single sex space. That Julie Jaman has been using for nearly 40 years and did not know the space was now in reality mixed sex.

So this male was also able to see Julie Jaman showering. So she was also feeling violated herself.

And apparently someone from the pool contacted the police to report but did so anonymously and would not give a name.

There are multiple sites with different articles about this now. But the story seems consistent. And some sites have stated they have independently verified with both police and the pool management.

Nellodee · 06/08/2022 06:24

Even presuming total innocence on the part of the transwoman employee, what a fucking awful position to have been put in by their employer. Rather than being woke and tolerant, they have placed their employee slap bang in the middle of an internet shitstorm. Why would anyone assign that task to a male person? This is the definition of being so open minded, their brains fell out.

FrancescaContini · 06/08/2022 07:46

LK1972 · 05/08/2022 19:30

Ooh, they all real hope that the science advances so far as to give men ability to carry babies (I've seen some stating that would also like to have access to abortion in this situation, so that's why they're very pro-choice) 🤷‍♀️

WTF

Are you saying there are men out there deluded enough to think that they can carry a pregnancy and give birth and who at the same time want to have access to abortions? My mind is blown.

FrancescaContini · 06/08/2022 08:29

OMG all those bloody Pride flags in the photo

shedwithivy · 06/08/2022 08:44

EsmaCannonball · 05/08/2022 22:07

So now it's been reported, and seemingly confirmed by the YMCA, that the male employee was actually tasked with supervising young girls at a day-camp as they used the locker room. Were the parents informed about this? Can you imagine how much abusers are going to be drawn to this loophole?

This makes your blood run cold. How many parents pack their kids off to camps and holiday clubs? I know there has been some controversy about the girl guides, but I would not expect a male person (however they identify) to be in the changing room with my daughter in a public leisure centre holiday club. I wouldn't even think to ask (and in this example would be labelled as a bigot if I did).

So just another reason to deter girls from sport, aside from the more serious potential safeguarding risks. And limiting safe summer childcare options for working parents.

Cailin66 · 06/08/2022 09:26

Didimum · 05/08/2022 13:10

The TW was not naked or exposing their penis.

Would it matter if his penis was out?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2022 09:27

This person has identified as a woman since March this year.

PaterPower · 06/08/2022 09:54

“This person has identified as a woman since March this year.”

OK… and…?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2022 10:12

I'm just saying how recently this identity has manifested itself. People often don't realise that males can literally decide they are women one day and immediately get access to women's spaces and jobs which should be done by women for privacy, dignity and safeguarding reasons.

DdraigGoch · 06/08/2022 10:50

JenniferBarkley · 05/08/2022 06:38

Asking a stranger about their genitalia will get you banned from most respectable establishments.

If she was worried the woman was watching the children get changed, she should have challenged that, and told the staff.

Shame that perving on little girls doesn't get you banned any more.