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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

DDs nursery asking for donations to Mermaids

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AnonGCMum · 04/08/2022 14:28

(Regular reader and occasional poster, have name changed for this)

Next week the nursery my two DDs attend (age 2 and 4) are going to be making cakes to sell in aid of Mermaids. As well as bringing in money to buy the cakes we’re
being asked to donate the ingredients.

I don’t want any of my money going to Mermaids. If it was just my 2yo I’d pretend to forget about it, but my 4yo has already reminded me twice. I’m not sure ‘forgetting’ will work with her.

I’ll also a bit concerned about what they might be teaching the children. They put a few photos up on an app each day so we can see what they’re doing and yesterday the update for my 2year old’s class included a picture of a handwritten display about the pride flag including the words “pink=trans joy”. I’m trying not to be pearl-clutchy about it and I’m fine with them learning things like ‘some people have two mummies’ but trans joy and Mermaids? At 2 and 4?!

Would you say something? Should I? I’m not brave about speaking up on these things. I’ll probably just leave my purse at home next week and ignore the rest, but what would you do?

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ChagSameachDoreen · 05/08/2022 07:15

This is precisely why I'm sending my daughter to a religious nursery/school. If it's a choice between indoctrination by Torah, or by queer theory, I'm going to pick the former rather than the latter.

SolasAnla · 05/08/2022 08:30

ChagSameachDoreen · 05/08/2022 07:15

This is precisely why I'm sending my daughter to a religious nursery/school. If it's a choice between indoctrination by Torah, or by queer theory, I'm going to pick the former rather than the latter.

You could end up with both if i remember correctly there is female TRA training to be a Rabbi in the London area on twitter.

OP, your husband went through male puberty with other boys. He knows exactly what boys can be like. Even if he thinks that "only gay boys can be trans" the fact that he thinks that his girl's needs should be subservient to a random teen boys is very worrying. Can I suggest that you look closely at how you and he interact and how this sets an example for your girl's. And that you need to discuss what boundries the girls need to learn and how they get to enforce them when they clash with what you as parents want.

SuperCamp · 05/08/2022 09:04

I would just say “Not this time, I’ll bake / donate double when it is a charity close to my heart. Thank you!”

PriamFarrl · 05/08/2022 10:41

This just popped up on a Facebook group I’m in. It’s for people who are fans of a podcast but it’s very LGBT+ friendly.

DDs nursery asking for donations to Mermaids
Musomama1 · 05/08/2022 11:03

ChagSameachDoreen · 05/08/2022 07:15

This is precisely why I'm sending my daughter to a religious nursery/school. If it's a choice between indoctrination by Torah, or by queer theory, I'm going to pick the former rather than the latter.

Be careful there, religion is open to this bs. The Church of England are deciding next year whether to embrace gender ideology.

SuperCamp · 05/08/2022 11:09

OP: enough info here for you to be outed. I would ask for a deletion, unless you are prepared to fight it through publicly.

SuperCamp · 05/08/2022 11:11

Musomama1 · 05/08/2022 11:03

Be careful there, religion is open to this bs. The Church of England are deciding next year whether to embrace gender ideology.

Haha the CoE of the Lambeth Conference last week that decided not to challenge the ruling about same sex marriage, homosexual acts being a sin etc?

partystress · 05/08/2022 11:12

Is it a local authority run nursery? If it is, I would write to the head of children’s services and director of education, copying in the council member responsible for education, expressing your grave concern. You could also consider contacting the LADO at the LA. You can use all of the resources mentioned above and cite the fact that Mermaids is using its resources to sue another charity - the LGB Alliance. For a brilliant defence of what the LGBA stands for, and why Mermaids are so wrong, see the letter LGBA have just written to the shadow minister for women and equalities.

lgballiance.org.uk/response-to-the-letter-by-taiwo-owatemi-shadow-secretary-of-state-for-women-and-equalities-in-the-uk/

If it’s part of a privately owned chain, I would contact the CEO and chair and suggest this raises important questions about their safeguarding and equalities policies which you will need to draw to the attention of the LA and Ofsted.

AnonGCMum · 05/08/2022 11:14

@PriamFarrl Interesting! I’m pretty sure I know who wrote that. What sort of replies is it getting?

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Deliriumoftheendless · 05/08/2022 11:16

PriamFarrl · 05/08/2022 10:41

This just popped up on a Facebook group I’m in. It’s for people who are fans of a podcast but it’s very LGBT+ friendly.

Would that be a true crime podcast by any chance?

understand if you don’t wish to say.

Mammajay · 05/08/2022 11:17

Supercamp seems to have a good response

SolasAnla · 05/08/2022 11:33

SuperCamp · 05/08/2022 11:11

Haha the CoE of the Lambeth Conference last week that decided not to challenge the ruling about same sex marriage, homosexual acts being a sin etc?

It could be a neat work around.😅😅
Pretend the homosexual female/male is the opposite sex and by magic its a heterosexual relationship and hope that people will still recognise the heterosexual couples as hetero.

Rinatinabina · 05/08/2022 11:43

Primarily it’s just not age appropriate, it’s just indoctrination when they are little. I actually can’t believe anyone who works with small kids thinks this is ok. DD is 2 and would probably just not give a fuck.

Your husband needs to understand the safeguarding issues, he’s putting the feelings of males over the safety of his daughters. Very concerning.

AnonGCMum · 05/08/2022 11:52

SuperCamp · 05/08/2022 11:09

OP: enough info here for you to be outed. I would ask for a deletion, unless you are prepared to fight it through publicly.

I’ve been mulling this over and I don’t think I mind if someone from the nursery figures out who I am. I haven’t said anything wrong.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2022 12:18

Allsorts wrote those really elderly "School toolkits" (many now withdrawn) and are no better than Mermaids. Though I think they are Brighton-based.

Oh yes of course.

Beefcurtains79 · 05/08/2022 12:18

‘Do we have a transphobic in our midst?’
Someone is up for a good old fashioned witch hunt aren’t they?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2022 12:19

Yes the charity is truly controversial, Facebook person. Hope that helps.

PriamFarrl · 05/08/2022 12:21

Deliriumoftheendless · 05/08/2022 11:16

Would that be a true crime podcast by any chance?

understand if you don’t wish to say.

It is a true crime podcast. On the whole the group are really helpful and friendly, also I find it helpful to be part of a group that opposes my views and allows me to see both sides of the argument.

PriamFarrl · 05/08/2022 12:25

AnonGCMum · 05/08/2022 11:14

@PriamFarrl Interesting! I’m pretty sure I know who wrote that. What sort of replies is it getting?

Very pro Mermaids and anti Terf replies, but there could be many people,
like me, who disagree but don’t want to upset other members of the group. I won’t say anything so I’m sure I would get turned on and removed from the group. The poster says later that she is in Brighton.

justasking111 · 05/08/2022 13:45

SuperCamp · 05/08/2022 11:11

Haha the CoE of the Lambeth Conference last week that decided not to challenge the ruling about same sex marriage, homosexual acts being a sin etc?

A few years ago son and fiancee went to the vicar to organise their wedding. They mentioned that they would be delighted if the vicar visited their home. Well he did and tore them off a strip for living together before marriage. I give up with the church

CristinaNov182 · 05/08/2022 13:45

If you don’t find yourself able to speak out to the nursery, change it ASAP. Leave an anonymous review a few months later informing ppl they support mermaids so other parents won’t fall into the trap.

For schools, ask their curriculum for RSE and see what they teach there too. If they refuse to send it see actions you can take from SafeSchools and TransgenderTrend.

If you tell your husband how your girls might not get same sex intimate medical care in the future, might be cheated at sports by males who have gone through puberty, about violent and rapist males in women’s prison, males washing disabled girls or older women in special schools or care homes and he doesn’t get it nor empathise, you have a big problem.

I noticed when I tell ppl what TWAW means in practice, and all that has happened so far, they are horrified. If this man is not able to empathise, it won’t bode well for your future or for your daughters.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 05/08/2022 13:59

PriamFarrl · 05/08/2022 10:41

This just popped up on a Facebook group I’m in. It’s for people who are fans of a podcast but it’s very LGBT+ friendly.

That's a really naïve quote. That person has not done any level of research about what TRA really stands for if they're surprised to hear mermaids described as homophobic. It's really bothersome that people are throwing the transphobe slur around without any attempt to explore the actual concerns of GC people. It's just virtual signalling at its worst.

jewishmum · 05/08/2022 14:26

Don't nurseries and schools need funding for equipment for themselves more than funding a political lobby group to spout off their pseudoscience to toddlers?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 05/08/2022 15:07

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 05/08/2022 13:59

That's a really naïve quote. That person has not done any level of research about what TRA really stands for if they're surprised to hear mermaids described as homophobic. It's really bothersome that people are throwing the transphobe slur around without any attempt to explore the actual concerns of GC people. It's just virtual signalling at its worst.

There is something that really gets on my wick about that first line "does anyone know very much about the charity Mermaids".

Yes. We very much do.

That's why we don't want to donate to them. She's got no intention of finding out anything for herself, or she wouldn't be asking facebookers in a random group. She's just gone into pure football tribal mode over a charity she has tacitly admitted she knows nothing about, and over a matter of child welfare, to boot.

Deplorable in a parent.

PriamFarrl · 05/08/2022 15:14

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 05/08/2022 15:07

There is something that really gets on my wick about that first line "does anyone know very much about the charity Mermaids".

Yes. We very much do.

That's why we don't want to donate to them. She's got no intention of finding out anything for herself, or she wouldn't be asking facebookers in a random group. She's just gone into pure football tribal mode over a charity she has tacitly admitted she knows nothing about, and over a matter of child welfare, to boot.

Deplorable in a parent.

This was where I found myself a few years ago.

‘Is it LGB? Then I’m all for it. Yay gay people, I’m all for gay people and people living how they want. Trans people in there too? Sure thing, I’m pro gay, therefore I’m pro trans as that’s all part of the same deal’

But then I’ve come to realise that it’s not really as cut and dried as that. But I think for a lot of people they haven’t looked much harder.