Tavistock clinic to close as not safe for children

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Breaking news in the Times and Telegraph:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e1ed2bea-0e63-11ed-93cf-b011fa7fe86b?shareToken=4fa557c3083dee141defde72e0e53d54

”Who will be providing the care, who will be training the providers, what protocols will they be following? While big International centres are becoming more and more sure that affirmation saves lives, the UK retreats back.”

Where is the evidence that “affirmation saves lives”?

And the concerns about care providers and training smacks of “We want to make sure things are done OUR way without question - we don’t want people shining a light on our methods!”

yes Sunshine Support are worrying me. They are communicating very old data from overseas on this matter. I regard that as scaremongering.

I only hope that this is the beginning of the turn around not just in policy but also the whole woke agenda. There has been to much silencing of what I believe is the majority

Would that be the "big international centres" that do this for money? And need to persuade the parents that this is true?

Have RTFT but I really hope having a dispersed treatment system in different NHS centres doesn’t mean less oversight. Whoever is responsible for patient protection haven’t shown themselves adequate so far with eg the Tavi as the one major London centre plus their one offshoot in Leeds.

I think Dr Webberly meant to say "affirmation makes me money".

There will be more detail of the research and it will be published on the Cass site.

Dr Cass has written an excellent letter to NHS England. Treatment will be in tertiary centres only and with people who have an adequate clinical, academic, and research support.

Look at Research Update 7 and follow the link to the letter.

cass.independent-review.uk/entry-7-research/

And we must remember that clip is from I Am Leo - a documentary which was made by CBBC and shown repeatedly and was available on iPlayer for years.

It's still on BBC3's YouTube channel:

The BBC are massively culpable in pushing this harmful ideology

It's going to be discussed on Jeremy Vine show on R2 at 1.00 today. Wonder if they'll have the usual suspects on...

I'm just rewatching it now. Leo is 15, been on puberty blockers since 12 and is currently 5 foot. Leo is drawing a picture of what they hope they're going to look like as an adult which is 6 ft. Leo says they hope testosterone will make them grow.

So no one has explained to Leo that testosterone doesn't make you grow taller and Leo is going to be a very short adult.

God, it's heartbreaking

Thank you embarrassinghadrosaurus
one of my worries about this phenomenon is how utterly shit and captured the institutions (NHS, GMC, CQC, etc) seem to be and how they have failed to apply their own normal rules to this subset of children with mental health needs, for political and PR reasons.
So we need them to start to do their jobs properly. We don’t need government to introduce knee jerk ill informed responses that will make things more difficult for health professionals or researchers. Thank god for Cass’ work. I just hope it gets listened to now that government have an inkling of public concern in this area and political capital to be made. This whole thing happened under the Tories’ watch let’s not forget and women have been telling them about this for years. So they really don’t get to act surprised.

Is this a follow up? www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0559vr5/leo-becoming-a-trans-man

It's prompted me to wonder if all the mainstream healthcare organisations and professional bodies need to rescind their policy of pronouns etc.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4600178-nhs-nice-nihr-charities-patient-organisations-and-pronouns?

I think that's just slightly recut but possibly with some extra added on the end? Leo III celebrating taking testosterone on their 16th birthday at the end of the first one

Thanks Clymene I will have a look at the programme if I can stand it but it seems so awful it was ever made. That poor poster child being used for fronting for politicised health care. It wouldn’t be allowed for a child to give this kind of a reality-denying face to a religion or a political party. Where everyone knows the social media backlash could be huge for the child. Why this?

Keira and Ritchie/ Tullip's legal actions may certainly make these tertiary centres think carefully.

Oh sorry - that original link is the follow up documentary.

Looks like the original one has been pulled from the BBC but you can watch it here:

Webberley has been suspended, and her husband struck off. She's delusional if she thinks people will view her utterances as anything other than self-serving.

David Bell out right names stonewall and mermaids as 'applying a great deal of pressure to affirm these children in a trans identity and caused a great deal of damage'.

In the light of the Cass review, and the evidence of the parts that places like mermaids and stonewall have played, I'm at a loss to understand how they are still functioning as legitimate charities.

His damnation of mermaids is massive.

Quite. There IS evidence suggesting that risk to life increases post medical transition, all this evidence is in its infancy and many studies are less than properly done, and much evidence plain hasn't been collected because a political lobby were afraid of it saying things they didn't want to hear?

What protocols will they be following?

Well the point is the whistleblowing and closure of the Tavistock clinic is because standard safeguarding and NHS procotols were not being followed properly or consistently if at all, so one hopes the new centres will have to follow the protocols everyone else does.

Who will be training the providers?

NOT partisan political lobby groups largely driven by those with a vested outcome in one specific agenda, because that played a very large part in the mess this new step is there to repair. The loss of control there is likely to lead to some major dummyspitting but is very, very necessary.

Tavistock gender clinic did experiments on autistic girls.

Chilling.

Tavistock gender clinic did experiments on autistic girls and gay and lesbian youngsters.

Which is the message that these boards have been shouting out for several years.

And boy, the names we've been called for it.