Tavistock clinic to close as not safe for children

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Breaking news in the Times and Telegraph:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e1ed2bea-0e63-11ed-93cf-b011fa7fe86b?shareToken=4fa557c3083dee141defde72e0e53d54

The evidence at Tavistock must have been damning for it to close completely. A huge win for common sense. So many confused children will be saved.

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"Fleeing the cult" and "de-radicalisation". Certain quarters won't like that.

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Susie Green has just been on Chanel 4 news saying how delighted she is that more clinics will be provided and there will be a more “holistic approach”. They’re moving their goal posts again aren’t they, so they can keep where the money is.

Prof Cass is advocating for evidence based care and not ideology led. Mermaids should have no part in deciding policy they are a political lobby not a research network!!

That's just fabulous news.

Yes it is possible, even likely, that anxiety medication is being over-prescribed.
However is is also possible that there has been an explosion of anxiety in the population over the last few decades, so the prescribing is warranted.

Of course we all know the reasons for this avalanche of mental illness, not just anxiety but also depression and many other symptoms, in adults and children: fears about climate change and future energy supplies, 24 hour bad news on dedicated channels foregrounding wars and terrorism etc., fears about the economy, debt and student debt, the price of housing and downward expectations of social mobility, a cess-pit of websites and social media that promote porn to screw-up the boys and air-brushed models to screw-up the girls, online bullying which is more insidious that the old-fashioned school playground bullying, increasing obesity and negative body-image, and on and on and on.

Please god there is a big big increase in CAMHS funding.

I keep thinking about the recent legislation about conversion therapy and how, what with that and Penny Mordaunt's leadership bid, we seem to have dodged a few bullets lately. We need to stay focused.

Sorry, just seen a separate thread has been set up for that, I'll ask MN to remove my comment from this one.

Yup - just like they never told children they were "born in the wrong body"... ?

I think Cass has played this so well. No taking on the toxic organisations head on - she leaves that to others. Instead a relentless focus on standards, research, a holistic approach to children's medical care, awareness of co morbidities and not a mention of "special interest groups" anywhere.
Remember the self important doctor who was on the review and wrote to all his mates in the lobby groups telling them there's be "no change?" He's disappeared without trace and there's a massive change underway.

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On Channel 4 a moment ago. Sue Green welcoming the move and not mentioning that the affirmation model is no more.

anybody saw her? I think Mermaids could do with a challenge to their charitable status in view of Cass report and the damaging association with the Gender GP Webberlys.

The Q&A issued by the Tavi today says future endocrine treatment will be contingent on participation in the new research protocol. So that sounds like nobody under the age of 16 will be prescribed puberty blockers without tracking of outcomes over time, and the prescriptions themselves will be made with a view to making a future decision about the use of these treatments.

Wow, that is a really powerful article.

I'd say there are definite ethical challenges. Research can take place only in a narrow window of uncertainty - where we do not know the best course of treatment. As more research becomes available that window narrows. In the case of puberty blockers, given what is know about harms and their lack of benefits, I would question if it is ethical to give it in any circumstances.

From what I've read/heard, people wait for years to be seen at all, but once they are seen there's a likelihood they are 'affirmed' pretty much immediately.

Please would you explain to me (I spent my entire professional life teaching genetics) what is meant by non-binary? As a sexually dimorphic species if we were not binary we would cease to exist - as such your claim that "non-binary" people exist is an entire nonsense in the world of science

They may as well have literally typed 'nothing to see here'

'We’ve seen some misleading headlines, so just to clarify something:

A report has come out saying that GIDS should be delivered regionally rather than from one clinic in London.

No need to be concerned.'

I love that they both tweeted the words and a shit multicoloured graphic of them.

It’s outrageous that they did not have proper data collection and outcomes.

It's a tragic waste, is what it is — information is valuable, and when the price paid for it is so high, throwing it away is very wrong.

Sajid Javid:

mobile.twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1552673651383738369?cxt=HHwWgoCxrbSdmowrAAAA

"As Health Secretary, I was determined to protect vulnerable children from being failed by gender identity services at the Tavistock.

This is welcome news and absolutely the right decision based on the independent evidence gathered by Dr Hilary Cass."

Javid is a genuinely good man.

So far I’m aware of (in my circle of friends and wider family) three young people who have identified as non-binary or trans. Two of them I think exhibit behaviours likely to contribute to a diagnosis of autism. One has suffered extreme trauma at a young age. Of course these children need healthcare. None of them (as far as I am concerned) have anything like a stable, mature ‘identity’, because teenagers don’t have that. So none of them need endocrine treatments to make their bodies ‘match’ their ‘identities’.

This bit seems odd coming from Mermaids.

We understand there will be a new service specification in due course and will continue to engage with both Cass and NHSE to ensure that this is fit for purpose and does not seek to pathologise trans, non-binary and gender diverse young people.

So are they now saying that there is nothing wrong with the bodies of children who identify as transgender, and that they shouldn't be pathologised and treated with irreversible medication which interferes with their normal production of hormones?