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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girlguiding pushing stereotypes and reality-defying nonsense

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Fenlandia · 21/07/2022 09:56

I couldn’t see a thread on this yet, but saw on Maya’s Twitter that Girlguiding have put out an article called “Rainbow Girl” about a child called Rainbow.

girlguiding.foleon.com/guiding-magazine/guiding-summer-2022/rainbow-girl

“Jane and her husband Mike started noticing that Rainbow identified more with female characters, toys and books when she was 18 months old. ‘Some people suggested we just say no, encourage her to identify with the male characters, but how can you explain that to a young child? To what end? No to playing with toys she loved or characters she loved to pretend to be? It felt cruel to say no, to the say the least.’”

[Or you could just let your kids play with whatever fires their imagination?]

The parents can’t deal with Rainbow’s desire to wear dresses or have long hair, until finally Rainbow comes out with this:

“One day she said to us in a quiet voice, “My real name is Rainbow”.
‘Until you’re in that position as a parent you cannot know how you will react. I could have laughed and said, “No it’s not.” I could have compartmentalised her life: “OK you can be Rainbow at home, but not at school." We didn’t take this route. Instead we asked, “Can you tell us a bit more about how you feel? There are some boys who like all the things that society thinks are for girls but know themselves to be boys, and there are some who feel like they are girls inside."

[I thought real trans wasn’t about adhering to stereotypes of what’s for boys or girls?]

Reading the whole thing, I’m aghast and would get banned if I said what I really thought of how this is being framed. This child just has a personality. They’re 7 years old and being imprinted with a fixed transgender identity by parents who seem confused, to be charitable. And then being put on a pedestal by an organisation set up solely to support women and girls.

Maya’s thread and the many comments on it are worth reading (mobile.twitter.com/MForstater/status/1549864649004285959 ). I’ll pick out this one:

“I am completely agog and aghast at an organisation that has spent so long saying girls can do anything they want now saying that if boys like stereotypically feminine things they are the same as girls.”

OP posts:
dolorsit · 22/07/2022 08:45

DockOTheBay · 22/07/2022 08:38

Every time I am confronted by a man in what was previously respected by men as a woman only space I feel keenly how I am less than him, I must lower my eyes, not provoke him, and just accept that he has power over me
I'm out, too over dramatic for me.

You were never really in.

In all your posts comparing guides and scouting you failed to grasp that the safeguarding assessments made in scouting for mixed sex accommodation does not happen in guides. The transgirl or transwoman is not classed as male so no safeguarding assessment for mixed sex is considered necessary.

SeaShellT · 22/07/2022 08:49

Cadets will go the same way. SJ Ambulance have started with the whole ridiculous pronoun thing and self ID. 😡age range is 10-16 so a 16 year old boy (trans girl) could be sharing a room with a 10 year old girl DD will not be attending any residentials. It's grotesque.

FrancescaContini · 22/07/2022 09:00

NewPotatoSalad · 22/07/2022 02:37

So:
www.girlguiding.org.uk/
quote:
"We're the leading UK charity for girls and young women"

It says, "Keeping girls safe is at the heart of everything we do in Girlguiding."

But Girlguiding also appointed Monica Sulley as one of its commissioners.. The links won't be allowed here, on Monica Sulley. But just go and Google. Him. With guns.

Just googled this individual 😲

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 23/07/2022 19:04

PearlClutch · 21/07/2022 10:20

GG is clearly all about maintaining sex stereotypes. They are contemptible. I'm sorry, I know there are lots of good women in there working really hard for children, but I can't countenance them looking after children anymore. That's a hard no.

👆This

MishyJDI · 23/07/2022 19:45

That is so sweet. I'm glad that the GG are empowering all girls and not being discriminatory. That's a tough call in this environment of others trying to dictate a 1950s value proposition. Really pleased with them. Next time the cookies come around Ill buy 20 boxes!

CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 23/07/2022 20:48

Arf. Empowering all girls.

Except the ones who need a female only space. How many girls won’t be allowed to go if it’s no longer guaranteed a female (sex) only group?

it’s fine to discriminate against them though, isn’t it? Because you don’t agree with their reasons for not wanting male people in the space.

LaughingPriest · 23/07/2022 20:49

GG are empowering all people with stocks and shares ISAs? How?
Oh hang on - is that what 'girl' means or... what was the definition again?

Lovelyricepudding · 23/07/2022 21:56

MishyJDI · 23/07/2022 19:45

That is so sweet. I'm glad that the GG are empowering all girls and not being discriminatory. That's a tough call in this environment of others trying to dictate a 1950s value proposition. Really pleased with them. Next time the cookies come around Ill buy 20 boxes!

Cookies? I guess you are in America?

PearlClutch · 23/07/2022 22:11

Cookies? Hmm

theclangersarecoming · 23/07/2022 22:11

MishyJDI · 23/07/2022 19:45

That is so sweet. I'm glad that the GG are empowering all girls and not being discriminatory. That's a tough call in this environment of others trying to dictate a 1950s value proposition. Really pleased with them. Next time the cookies come around Ill buy 20 boxes!

Think you may be thinking of US Girl Scouts. Girl Guides in the U.K. have never sold any cookies!

[Always best to know what you’re talking about before you comment on something, I find.]

wwwaterbottledotcom · 23/07/2022 23:11

Biscuit Biscuit 😂

TimeFlying · 24/07/2022 17:55

Update:
I have today resigned from GG over this issue (along with the Monica Sulley madness).
I am really sad it’s come to this. I am emailing the Commissioner to set out my reasons - will be interested to see if I get any response

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/07/2022 18:10

TimeFlying · 24/07/2022 17:55

Update:
I have today resigned from GG over this issue (along with the Monica Sulley madness).
I am really sad it’s come to this. I am emailing the Commissioner to set out my reasons - will be interested to see if I get any response

So sorry TimeFlying to hear that. I suspect it will be a wrench for you. The writing was on the wall once GG started dismantling safeguarding girls at the behest of an individual with a long history of advocating for extreme porn involving the brutalising of young women. It was downhill from there.

ErrolTheDragon · 24/07/2022 18:19

That is so sweet. I'm glad that the GG are empowering all girls and not being discriminatory. That's a tough call in this environment of others trying to dictate a 1950s value proposition. Really pleased with them. Next time the cookies come around Ill buy 20 boxes!

Empowering girls by obeying gender stereotypes and making/selling cookies...Seriously, it looks to the rest of us as though essentially you're the one 'dictating 1950s value propositions'.

Let girls be girls and boys be boys, all free of the confines of 'gender'.

TimeFlying · 24/07/2022 18:32

Thanks MrsOverton. It feel weirdly scary breaking cover and committing words to email. I’m just a volunteer - I didn’t ask for this. But I will take a stand.

IcakethereforeIam · 24/07/2022 20:51

TimeFlying · 24/07/2022 17:55

Update:
I have today resigned from GG over this issue (along with the Monica Sulley madness).
I am really sad it’s come to this. I am emailing the Commissioner to set out my reasons - will be interested to see if I get any response

I'm so sorry you felt, you had to do this. I understand why, the fault completely lies with GGHQ. It's really made me feel sad.

Assuming you get a response, and if you wish to share, it would be interesting to see what they put.

FemaleAndLearning · 24/07/2022 21:32

On that list of trustees is a social worker. Surely she knows about safeguarding.
Is there one of the trustees with a family member who has a boy who thinks they are a girl?

TheBiologyStupid · 25/07/2022 23:38

Just googled this individual 😲

Indeed! thecritic.co.uk/misguided-or-misgendered/

averylongtimeago · 26/07/2022 08:26

MishyJDI · 23/07/2022 19:45

That is so sweet. I'm glad that the GG are empowering all girls and not being discriminatory. That's a tough call in this environment of others trying to dictate a 1950s value proposition. Really pleased with them. Next time the cookies come around Ill buy 20 boxes!

Cookies? Are you in theUSA Mishy?

I've been involved in Girlguiding for over 50 years- we have always challenged stereotypes. The early badge books (pre WW2) include Mechanic and Airwoman badges for example. In the 60's I went hiking, learned basic diy and practical skills, the message definitely was that girls can do anything. As a leader we do everything that Scouts do and more. These recent changes are being driven by HQ, not the grassroots leadership.
We have always been inclusive- over the years my sisters in Guiding have been black, Asian, disabled, lesbians, nonbinery, straight, well off and living in absolute poverty, living in care- whatever, all welcome but all female.

I am so angry about this takeover.

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