Is CIS a legal term?

[purpleboy]

So I had a conversation with a friend the other day who is adamant Cis is an accurate descriptor of women and that it is written into law?
I asked where but she couldn't specify just stating it's a factual term (referencing women) that is legally recognized.
I've had a look and can't seem to find anything to back this up, but I know the wise women here will know if there is any truth to this.
Thanks in advance.

Yes you can indeed have it both ways @beautyisthefaceisee

I burnt all my Foucault the last day of finals. (Effing panopticon.) Then had to buy it all again for PG, then binned it all again. I had no idea that was who was being referred to. Every day is a school day.

I find the term cis offensive.

Of course "cis" is used as a subcategory. According to genderists there are women, as a category, and that category includes two sub types of women - trans women and cis women. They are most definitely separate categories, as a cis woman cannot be trans and a trans woman is not cis.

And "humans cannot change sex" isn't an opinion or a belief, it's a fact. You can go further and say that no mammal can or ever has changed sex. Trying to deny the truth of that statement is some mad kind of science denial.

Can I? so the battering I got for pointing out a thread mocking pronouns was not okay was uncalled for was it?

I mean, if I posted a thread taking the piss out of people offended by cisgender that would be fine, wouldnt it?

Oh then we are at cross purposes. I think most of us have heard the definition, but are resisting other posters telling us we qualify under it.

No, just most of us have half a brain and compassion to understand that that statement is hurtful and unnecessary and the faux wide eyed "but its true" fools nobody.

I'm simply saying words are important.

What was that about how "feminists" needed to understand their words had "consequences"?

When you use the word "cis", some people will see you as a like-minded individual and feel kindly towards you. Their hearts and minds will be open to you. Others will not think kindly of you. They will think of Foucault and what they know of him.

Your words have consequences on how people think of you. None of us get to decide what people think of us inside their heads. Is your problem that she has negative associations with the word "cis" or that you now know about it? If it's the first, you don't get to control people's thoughts. If it's the second, you're coming across as if it is brand new information to you that it had such negative connotations to anyone, so that's useful information to know.

Which thread was mocking pronouns?

People tend to use it as a way of saying those who aren't trans, as that is all it means

As I pointed out, that is inaccurate outside the limits of your belief system.

@Flolawri and @beautyisthefaceisee

In order to be 'cis' I have to accept and adhere to 'societal norms' and 'stereotypes' I do not do this so I cannot be 'cis'. Your definitions do not define me.

It also does not help your cause that you cannot define your definitions beyond stereotypes.

I am however the sex that I was born as. So 'cis' is once again mis-gendering me, which in the same way that I mis-gendered someone else is offensive.

No, just most of us have half a brain and compassion to understand that that statement is hurtful and unnecessary

It might well be "hurtful" like lots of reality is. It's very necessary though.

I don't have a gender identity any more than I have a religion, a favourite member of BTS or a star sign. They're all irrelevant to me but if they're meaningful to you, fill your boots!

I've spent my whole life pushing back against 'social norms' and stereotypes of what I should be doing as a girl and then as a woman. Why would I embrace cs? How do you know if I'm cs?

Come on ladies, we need to realise that being "hurt" and "offended" only applies to one side of the debate. Come on now be kind!

@beautyisthefaceisee you object to accurate scientific statements being made in general? Or do you mean in reference to discussing transgender ideology? Or do you mean directly to a specific trans person?

If a transwoman asked me directly if I thought they were female, I must lie and say that they are? Even though that's not true and not what I believe?

I'm not saying those definitions have to define you. I'm just stating the definitions of the words. Whether you want to use them to describe yourself or not is up to you.

It's very necessary though.

Yes. It wasn't for millennia and it shouldn't be now, but it really is.

If reality is offensive to someone , they can't dictate to me that I must lie about it.

It's also at odds with the PPs other description of 'Ciswoman' as relating to her own adherence to feminine stereotypes.

I have to carefully monitor my speech for pronouns, engage in amateur neuro-linguistic programming, but they canot, not even for a second, refrain from telling me that I'm "cis". I remember now1

I think mocking pronouns is rather inevitable- basically by trying to get people to state pronouns you are forcing them to chose a gender , which means e have established , is really offensive

You act rude to someone it's hardly surprising they see no need to show you respect

Are you another one implying the link to paedophilia? I would hope not.

I don't use the word cis in conversation, cause I know it can offend.

"None of us get to decide what people think of us inside their heads" - I assume you've never used any expression on here which dismisses trans people's identity then?

My problem is neither. My problem is people who expect me to respect things that offend them but don't offer trans people the same respect.

Yes, feminists, it appears!

oh yes, because its all about you.