Is CIS a legal term?

[purpleboy]

So I had a conversation with a friend the other day who is adamant Cis is an accurate descriptor of women and that it is written into law?
I asked where but she couldn't specify just stating it's a factual term (referencing women) that is legally recognized.
I've had a look and can't seem to find anything to back this up, but I know the wise women here will know if there is any truth to this.
Thanks in advance.

I think people are not accepting that they MUST have a gender identity and that all people MUST

You can feel you are trans or cis but .. shocker... people are different and diversity should be valued

Yes, I've noticed people don't respect women when they say no.

People always know which one are the women when they need to know whose NO doesn't count.

Cis has no legal standing in the law of England and Wales, or Scotland or Northern Ireland. AIDNAL, but unless anyone who is can show proof otherwise my view stands. And we're talking "the law" here, not "official school documents" as a previous poster cited in evidence!

Someone tell me what a female 'gender identity' is. Don't use stereotypes. I'll wait.

Female gender identity is based on societal norms and stereotypes.

That’s the first thing you’ve said I can agree with. That’s exactly what it is.

So female biological sex is something quite different, yes?

It makes sense if you believe you have a 'gender identity'.

Does it really though? Really truly?

I have read and read and listened and listened and I have never seen anyone explain the characteristics of a "female" or a "male" gender identity.

Top 3 anyone?

Just one?

I understand why feminists are doing this, even though I don't agree.

I know we (our predecessors) fought hard to get where we are.
What gets me is there was a time where women couldn't vote. Couldn't go to work. Couldn't have bank accounts.

There are children who can't go to school, women who are raped by their husband and it's fine, female children being married off at 12.

And here we are, (relatively, I'd liek to think) intelligent woman, who if we came together have and could have achieved wonderful things.

And here we are, being rude to one another, insulting one another, over a word. A word. I'm far more offended by the insitence of feminists to call transwomen men and transmen women. Cisgender is a word they came up with to separate you from trans. Finding it offensive, a thread to your womanhood, you're entitled to your opinion. But ultimately, we are at this over a word.

Is it worth it? Maybe, you might think so, to be terribly 'right'. But I genuinely fear how this ends for women in 20, 30 years time. I don't think you'll win this.

Female gender identity is based on societal norms and stereotypes.

Which are exactly what 'gender critical' feminists are against. Not against trans people, but against the imposition of these norms and stereotypes. Do you mean that as a declared 'ciswoman' you're happy to go along with them, and for them to be imposed on other women?

I'm a woman and I'm saying cisgender isn't offensive.

Why do your views trump mine? we are both women (I assume).

And I can't make head nor tail of this "People always know which one are the women when they need to know whose NO doesn't count."

@HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd yes, female sex is different. It's biological and not based on societal norms.

Well “female gender identity” as posited by the genderists mainly seems to involve feminine dress conventions that very few biological women wear very much.

Which is one of the reasons I can’t talk myself into having one. Sod all that high heels, pearls and giggling malarkey.

I don't think you should identify as a ciswoman if you don't like the term. But equally I don't think you can police other peoples' language.

It's baffling to me that you (not you personally) can literally deny the existence of trans, mock it and call it an ideology and thats OK, but people can't use a word because of what you have decided it mocks.

Your point sounds fine, but in practice it isn't. If you are denying their existence as an ideology, you are therefore against the very core of them.

And here we are, being rude to one another, insulting one another, over a word. A word.

But it's not just a word, is it?

It's a concept, a principle, a feature of a fundamental difference of belief with far-reaching real-world consequences.

That's why we care so much.

It's not just about this word though, is it.

You say cisgender isn't offensive?

If someone called a transgender person cisgender would that be offensive?

If yes , they why isn't it offensive to call any none cis-gender person cis ?

There is cis
There is trans
And there is none

Is it really that hard to understand?
It it really that hard to be polite ?

Oh good that’s ironed that one out.

Have I confused you with someone else? I thought you were defending “cisgender” as a blanket term. Maybe this thread is too busy for my overheated head,

Some stereotypes fit me. I love wearing makeup, dresses, having long hair and looking what is stereotypically a woman. I loved copying my mum when I was little. That's what my female gender identity is to me.

I don't want women to lose rights, I'm very much for equal rights. Shouldn't really have to say this though 😂

I don't think you should identify as a ciswoman if you don't like the term. But equally I don't think you can police other peoples' language.

Other people can call themselves what they want. But this thread is about the absurd proposition that 'cis' is some sort of legal definition. I take it you agree with me that is incorrect and would be inappropriate?

The Latin term from which "cis" is derived is actually entirely inappropriate to describd what "ciswomen" are. You had Gaul, and you had the Alps. "Trans" means "across", so Transalpine Gaul was the part of Gaul across on the far side of the Alps. "Citra" means "on this side" so
Cisalpine Gaul was the part of Gaul.
Transsexual/transgendee made sense as a term to describe someone who's crossed over to the opposite gender. But cisgender doesn't make sense becausevit means someone on this side of gender. And transwoman/ciswoman dont really make sense as terms, because they imply that "woman" is a thing which neither transwomen nor ciswomen actually are, but they both on different sides of it. Like in the way that you can use the term "menopausal" but as soon as you add the prefix "pre-menopausal" or "post-menopausal" then you are no longer describing a person who is actually menopausal. Sorry, massive derail but I know a lot about Latin and only just realised how stupid and inaccurate the term "cis" really is!

I'm a woman and I'm saying cisgender isn't offensive.

Why do your views trump mine? we are both women (I assume).

You're welcome to call yourself cisgender. You can call yourself pineapplegender or giraffegender if you like. It's not a question of one individual's views trumping another's. Cis is a made-up category of human. Most people don't use it (some because they disllke it, many because they've never heard of it or, quite rightly, don't see the point of it when they know perfectly well what a woman and a man are).

Right, but you understand that I’m more attached to my converse than I could ever be to heels? And I don’t like make up and I don’t want to squeak or be ladylike or behave in certain ways because they’re established female gender norms? Do you can see why I don’t feel I have a female (or any) gender identity? All I have is the knowledge of my biological sex.

The Latin term from which "cis" is derived is actually entirely inappropriate to describd what "ciswomen" are. You had Gaul, and you had the Alps. "Trans" means "across", so Transalpine Gaul was the part of Gaul across on the far side of the Alps. "Citra" means "on this side" so

I understand that makes perfect sense to someone who feels that they have a gender identity to compare to their birth sex, but what are we supposed to do when we have zero sense of gender identity? Or don’t want to engage with external gender norms? Are we supposed to just meekly agree to be misgendered? That’s basically the rub. I have no issue with anyone else who feels their gender identity is the same side of the alps as their sex.

@HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd cisgender is just when your gender identity matches your biological sex. It's just another descriptor and is just the opposite of transgender. That's all. We're still either women or men (or neither if that's what you want). People tend to use it as a way of saying those who aren't trans, as that is all it means.

And here we are, being rude to one another, insulting one another, over a word. A word.

Words are very important. Maybe think about some of the mere 'words' which have been used through history to describe other groups of people. Would you be telling those groups to stop making a fuss about a word? Also you are getting upset at people insulting each other? Insults are 'just words' too.