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Penny Mordant's bid for leadership is surely over

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ChristinaXYZ · 10/07/2022 17:00

Her obfuscation over her views on the trans issue in a long and rather disingenuous twitter thread earlier has brought a "senior Whitehall official," incensed by the perceived duplicity, out to say this:

"A senior Whitehall official gets in touch about Mordaunt and the maternity bill. “She fought AGAINST the change to ‘women’. The way she’s trying to rewrite history to suit her is despicable. While she’s supposedly campaigning on character and values. can’t believe the hypocrisy”

twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1546158477738971138

We all could see when it was happening it was only the steadfastness of the Lords that got the words woman and mother back in to the legislation.

On top of the that she used footage of the late Jo Cox rather cynically earlier too in a bout of self-promotion.

She has no judgement at all and her relationship with the truth seems rather strained. As the first comment in the thread says this is surely her Andrea Leadsom moment.

Penny Mordaunt should step-down before she does any more damage.

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Datun · 18/07/2022 16:19

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/07/2022 13:01

Has this been posted yet? It's a jaw dropping article by Caroline Fiske for Conservatives for Women that outlines in detail how Mordaunt personally oversaw the dismantling of women's rights. There's massive detail including how the government's LGBT plan was used to promote gender identity in schools, how the SRE curriculum was infested with porn at the behest of dodgy groups, how the CPS toxic hate crime guidelines for schools (the ones that had to be withdrawn rather than subject them to any scrutiny) were promoted. All funded by the government:

www.conservativesforwomen.org/penny-mordaunt-helped-to-push-gender-ideology-out-across-every-institution-in-the-uk

It is jawdropping. And exceptionally worrying that a prime minister candidate was so heavily invested in it.

To me, the entire issue is like a barometer of a persons integrity, both in women's rights and child safeguarding, and the ability to think critically.

There are lots of reasons why people subscribe to trans ideology, none which are something I would like in a leader.

The question of it being a side issue is galling, too. And partly because it's such an easy issue to fix. You can just say no. Take it out of schools, rule re treatment for children and say no thank you.

It's not a complicated, controversial tax process, or an endless negotiation with a foreign power. It's just no.

Hoardasurass · 18/07/2022 16:41

Well the next debate has been cancelled as "they don't want to take part " according to the BBC politics show

Motorina · 18/07/2022 16:46

Sunak and Truss pulled out. Sunak I can understand - he’s a shoe in for the last two and has great public recognition already. Nothing to gain by doing well; everything to lose by doing badly. Truss is more of a surprise. Suggests she’s more confident than one might think.

achillestoes · 18/07/2022 17:01

@Motorina

It makes her look like a front runner. That’s important at this stage. Live TV isn’t her strength so the chances are she wouldn’t improve her odds by appearing in the debate.

Jux · 18/07/2022 19:31

PM is Boris in Women's Clothes.

it'lll be awful if she gets much further, it will show that nothing has changed and nothing has been learnt in the Tory party.

JustWaking · 19/07/2022 07:26

Penny is a slippery, populist liar. If she becomes leader, I will absolutely despair. So many obvious lies! Lying about Turkey in order to push Brexit, as well as the whole TRA shitstorm. There's no way that someone who so obviously lies and says absolutely anything just to further her position will ever win the next election. Not after Boris. People want integrity.

Penny also seems to have no idea what leadership means.

  1. she says that it wouldn't have been possible to use the UK veto to stop Turkey joining the EU because Cameron was supporting them joining the EU. Of course it would! Leaders say no.
  2. claims that the whole TRA mess her department pushed into so many departments, causing so much damage, was nothing to do with her. Claims she was just following government policy. FFS: she was the minister in charge!! The whole point of leadership is to apply your own judgement, not just go along with the consensus.

Penny's whole MO is seeking popularity, no matter the cost. That's the last thing we need in a leader.

achillestoes · 19/07/2022 22:10

There’s a last ditch effort to get Mordaunt added to the ballot of members even if Truss beats her (trending this evening), so they must know she’s going out. Why so desperate to bend the rules, though? Tory MPs have always elected their leaders (and because they’re elected, their leader, if the Tories are the biggest party, is Prime Minister). It’s not new. Sore losers.

JustWaking · 19/07/2022 22:13

How on earth can they justify that?!?

ScribblingPixie · 19/07/2022 22:14

And partly because it's such an easy issue to fix. You can just say no. Take it out of schools, rule re treatment for children and say no thank you.

I hope Liz Truss would go this way - I think she would.

achillestoes · 19/07/2022 22:15

They can’t. But it will be pushed by her supporters and some on the left because she’s ‘progressive’.

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/07/2022 23:47

I'm not sure Conservative Party members will appreciate being offered a choice of 2 Boris acolytes.

achillestoes · 20/07/2022 07:03

@TooBigForMyBoots

Tough. It’s how it works.

mrshoho · 20/07/2022 07:08

achillestoes · 19/07/2022 22:10

There’s a last ditch effort to get Mordaunt added to the ballot of members even if Truss beats her (trending this evening), so they must know she’s going out. Why so desperate to bend the rules, though? Tory MPs have always elected their leaders (and because they’re elected, their leader, if the Tories are the biggest party, is Prime Minister). It’s not new. Sore losers.

Why are they so keen to have her? It would be a travesty if she was to be added.

achillestoes · 20/07/2022 07:22

@mrshoho

I reckon it’s because she’s so socially left-wing.

achillestoes · 20/07/2022 07:47

But it’s all a bit Trump, isn’t it? Mordaunt has her chance to convince the parliamentary party. If she can’t, she can’t govern. The members get the final say between two but they don’t get to choose their favourite off the list.

mrshoho · 20/07/2022 12:22

achillestoes · 20/07/2022 07:47

But it’s all a bit Trump, isn’t it? Mordaunt has her chance to convince the parliamentary party. If she can’t, she can’t govern. The members get the final say between two but they don’t get to choose their favourite off the list.

Very much Trump/Johnson although more slick which is even worse. There's some senior RN personnel who have also questioned her admiral or captain uniform photos. The twitter comments referring to cosplay are quite funny.

achillestoes · 20/07/2022 13:12

Moment of truth this afternoon. Rumour has it it’s very close with Truss.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 20/07/2022 13:27

Fingers crossed it's Sunak & Truss on the final ballot.

achillestoes · 20/07/2022 13:37

Ellwood has been given back the whip in time to vote.

bellinisurge · 20/07/2022 13:53

Mordaunt is a liar on trans issues . This should be an open goal for Labour if she wins. If they don't take it, it's because they are afraid. More sunlight.

achillestoes · 20/07/2022 15:21

Mordaunt’s campaign briefing that ‘personal attacks have cut through’. Informing the public that a candidate has supported a specific position, now says they don’t, and says they never did, isn’t a personal attack. It’s transparency.

JustWaking · 20/07/2022 15:57

It does saddens me, this post-truth, rip-up-the-rules-when-you-lose world.

It makes me think of [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

Hoardasurass · 20/07/2022 16:01

Well the results are in and they are:-
Truss 113
Mordant 105
Sunak 137

JustWaking · 20/07/2022 16:01

Oops, sorry - posted by mistake half way through a link!

Prisoner's Dilemma

It's a nom-zero-sum game. A player is always better off cheating/telling in a single game. But overall outcomes are better for everyone if they cooperate.

Likewise, cheating and lying does work short term. But our whole society is better off if people play fairly by the rules.