Something that never happens!!! Illinois gun suspect wore women's clothing to blend in

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Robert “Bobby” E. Crimo III, 21, is accused of killing 6 innocent parade-goers and injuring at least 30 others after he allegedly climbed onto the roof of a business in the wealthy Chicago suburb on Monday and fired off 70 rounds from an AR-15-style rifle.

He then ditched the legally purchased weapon on the roof so he could blend in with the crowd as he fled during the chaos, Lake County Major Crime Task Force spokesman Christopher Covelli told a news briefing.

“Crimo was dressed in women’s clothing and investigators do believe he did this to conceal his facial tattoos and his identity,” Covelli said. “He was seen on video camera in women’s clothing.”

He may have even donned a hairpiece to complete his disguise, authorities said.

“A wig is not out of the question,” Covelli said.

nypost.com/2022/07/05/highland-park-parade-shooting-suspect-robert-crimo-wore-womens-clothing-cops/

Yep, it never happens OP. Apart from when it does. All the time. 🙄

I expect this will turn out to be JKRs fault.

So how would you have stopped this? Ask him for his GRA or if he self identified as a woman? This has nothing to do with trans people, and all do with crazy American gun freedoms.

Why do they assume he’s a man disguised in women’s clothing, and not a trans woman?

I don't see this as something in the "will never happen" category. As far as we know he wasn't trans - there is no suggestion of it at all. So like many criminals he put on a disguise to evade capture. it isn't the same thing as someone saying they are trans to access spaces.

Who said it had anything to do with trans people?

It's often claimed that men won't used self ID laws/dress as women commit a crime. Yet here it is. Happening.

But he could have done this pre the TRA campaigning?

Him dressing up as a woman is a disguise that goes back to the Rebecca riots if not sooner

MishyJDI

The issue is that men do and will dissemble as women to achieve their ends which why single-sex spaces are essential.

How is it possible that you don't get it?

It is impossible to tell the difference between a man putting on women's clothing as a disguise, and a male wearing women's clothing because of being trans.

Single sex spaces are important - yes

Single sex spaces would have stopped this - no

That's exactly the point pallisers

Men pretending to be women to carry out crimes.

It's not transpeople I'm worried about, its dangerous men and dangerous men using 'looking like a woman' as a disguise.

Transpeople aren't the problem but if men feel entitled to waltz into women's spaces because they can falsely claim to be trans then how do we protect everyone?

Covidagainandagain · Single sex spaces are important - yes

Single sex spaces would have stopped this - no

The issue is not that single sex spaces would stop something like this. The issue is that TRAs maintain that men who self-id as women must be taken at their word and they don't have ulterior motives for dissembling as women

A few years ago an obviously male persion dressed in a stereotypically female way would have stood out as it would have been a very rare occurrence. Such a person going into a female space would have been challenged.

This assassin was not in a female space, but I don't think it's a great stretch to think that people in the crowd seeing him making his escape looked away because they were concerned about being labelled as transphobes if they did anything ever than smile and affirm his unusual appearance.

ok I see what you are saying but it doesn't seem the strongest example to me. he didn't use his disguise to enter a women's space for the shooting. he just used it to blend/make escape more likely.

The reporting of these events is normally heavily politicised, and people like Biden only add fuel to the flames.

It seems wearing women's clothing in this case is quickly being downplayed as a disguise, whereas for minor (non fatal) incidents police state that they are searching for a woman.

Clearly it was a disguise and the ease of access to powerful guns is yet again a problem. But I feel we cannot trust the reporting of these issues as they are always heavily politicised.

Quite frankly if the media reported on the real sex of perpetrators, instead of self identified gender, we wouldn't be having these debates, and it would actually protect real trans women and not the lying criminals.

But the assumption seems to be that if there weren't trans people then this man wouldn't have been able to get away with dressing as a woman to commit a crime.

Men have been dressing as women to commit crimes for centuries. Sometimes women dressed as men to commit crimes.

This crime had nothing to do with trying to invade single sex spaces, nothing to do with trans people, there is no sign (yet) that he is trying to claim to be a woman to go to a woman prison.

I think tenuously linking this to trans people, or 'this wouldnt happen if it wasn't for TRA's' just weakens any arguments personally.

Where as if he had looked like a big man they would have been rushing to tackle him? 🙄

Exactly this

Still doesn't prove your point. Dressing as a woman (to disguise yourself) and self ID-ing as a woman (to gain access to women's spaces) aren't the same.

@HermioneWeasley Why do they assume he’s a man disguised in women’s clothing, and not a trans woman?

Good question but its too early to say. At the first link you'll find a photo of him which by all appearances looks like someone who identifies as queer which is not to say he identifies as trans.

At the 2nd link are photos of him which by all appearances looks like someone who identifies as a skinhead/neo-nazi. I don't know which is the more recent photo.

nypost.com/2022/07/05/highland-park-parade-shooting-suspect-robert-crimo-wore-womens-clothing-cops/

nypost.com/2022/07/04/highland-park-parade-shooting-suspect-robert-crimos-disturbing-social-media/

it seems wearing women's clothing in this case is quickly being downplayed as a disguise, whereas for minor (non fatal) incidents police state that they are searching for a woman.

I don't think it is being downplayed. it is being reported as it happened. He didn't declare himself a woman. he disguised himself as a woman.

FWIW I don't agree with police stating they are searching for a woman when they are actually searching for a clearly biological male who has declared himself a woman. But that is a separate issue.

This crime was nothing to do with trans people. And I think it's a bit of a stretch to say people looked away because they didn't want to seem transphobic.

As covid said, men have been dressing as women to commit crimes forever. This is another example of this not uncommon practice.

The point is that it is not possible to tell a TW from a male criminal dressed in stereotypically female clothing (and we also don't know how this shooter identified...). Therefore the only way to maintain a few limited safe spaces for women is to exclude all men. TRAs argue that men would not dress as women, cases like this show this to be untrue.

The issue is that men dressed as women have become absolutely untouchable. Everyone is terrified to question or challenge them in any way. They have become a sacred caste.

And that is enormously dangerous

How can anyone tell the difference between a man disguised as a woman going into single sex spaces with the intention of committing a crime and an innocent transwoman going into a single sex space to use the facility?

You can't.

So if anyone is allowed to enter these spaces on their own say so then the dangerous men can just walk in too.

And if this had anything to do with single sex spaces this would be very very relevant