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Sajid Javid just resigned

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achillestoes · 05/07/2022 18:11

That’s all.

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Artichokeleaves · 06/07/2022 09:59

At this point it may be becoming irrelevant who believed what in the cabinet and it has become a game of how many ministers can resign without the prime minister accepting his gravy train has run out of Bisto.

Eeksteek · 06/07/2022 10:05

@Provenceinthesummer

That would be true, IF Boris had done nothing wrong. But he has. This isn’t about policy, and people abusing the process for political gain. This is about having a someone who abuses the process as a matter of course for supposed political (but largely personal) gain, and is untouchable regardless. What other profession could you break major laws at work to achieve your aims, be found guilty and stay in your job? He porouged parliament and lied to the Queen. His actual job is to lawfully run government and report the queen. How is that not incompetence, gross misconduct and a sackable offence? This isn’t even about policy.

The Tory’s put him in because he’s the only idiot that wanted to job enough to accept it when Brexit was political suicide. Now, we all know he’s an idiot and only in the job for personal gain, unless he chooses to give it up, he can’t be removed. Fortunately, he’s and incredible shallow person who doesn’t much care about the country and is happy shagging anything passing and lining his pockets. But if he decides to do something really politically stupid (Russia springs to mind) for the glory of it. We’re all dead. And there’s nothing anyone can do about. Nothing. It’s a dangerous system that relies on personal integrity, sensitivity to public opinion and the power of the media to give people the information to form that opinion.

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 10:07

I doubt he’ll go unless pushed by change in rules for Committee - regardless of resignations

but we’ll see

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 10:09

@Artichokeleaves

Maybe. But on the off chance he survives...

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achillestoes · 06/07/2022 10:15

‘How is that not incompetence, gross misconduct and a sackable offence?’

There’s not really such a thing as ‘sacking’ the PM. Only the Tory party as a whole can do that unless we have an election.

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Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 10:36

eek he was fined for a birthday cake - so indeed you could question the sheer stupidity of finning anyone anywhere for a fucking birthday cake!!
You are hardly going to resign for this reason are you?!

This is a huge set up - blown up to depose Boris and try and install a remain PM - it’s as clear as day.

Boris should call an election and get rid of the backstabbers on the back benches once and for all and we can get back to running the country.

Happygirl79 · 06/07/2022 10:46

Boris looks after Boris. Nothing will change unless our MPs grow a pair and get rid of him
But he has surrounded himself with second rate people who will struggle to get employment elsewhere so they are sticking to him like glue. They couldn't care less about our country, what is right or the taxpayers who will suffer for this selfishness

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 10:49

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 10:36

eek he was fined for a birthday cake - so indeed you could question the sheer stupidity of finning anyone anywhere for a fucking birthday cake!!
You are hardly going to resign for this reason are you?!

This is a huge set up - blown up to depose Boris and try and install a remain PM - it’s as clear as day.

Boris should call an election and get rid of the backstabbers on the back benches once and for all and we can get back to running the country.

I‘m not sure he’d win. So many whipped up over partygate

wellhelloitsme · 06/07/2022 10:50

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 10:36

eek he was fined for a birthday cake - so indeed you could question the sheer stupidity of finning anyone anywhere for a fucking birthday cake!!
You are hardly going to resign for this reason are you?!

This is a huge set up - blown up to depose Boris and try and install a remain PM - it’s as clear as day.

Boris should call an election and get rid of the backstabbers on the back benches once and for all and we can get back to running the country.

He wasn't fined "for a birthday cake", he was fined for breaking a law. A law that he put in place.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 10:50

It’s normal for people to care about their own interests, he is not mother Theresa or the pope! 🤷🏼‍♀️

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 10:51

A law fining anyone for a bloody birthday cake is not worth the paper it’s written on!!

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 10:51

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 10:49

I‘m not sure he’d win. So many whipped up over partygate

He hasn’t got anything to lose Marsha

wellhelloitsme · 06/07/2022 10:58

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 10:51

A law fining anyone for a bloody birthday cake is not worth the paper it’s written on!!

And yet he and his team wrote it...

wellhelloitsme · 06/07/2022 10:59

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 10:51

A law fining anyone for a bloody birthday cake is not worth the paper it’s written on!!

And again, the law wasn't to fine people for birthday cake it was to fine people for gatherings. Whether you agree with that law being in place at the time or not, the fact is that the PM approved it, the public were being fined for breaking it and then he broke it himself.

Hypocritical and idiotic, whatever you think of that specific law itself

ImpossibleDrum · 06/07/2022 11:08

Tell me again how Cummings pays his bills with no job or income stream? Perhaps he sells Avon in the evenings.

His Substack is £10 a month and has 'thousands of paid subscribers'.

dominiccummings.substack.com/subscribe?utm_source=menu&simple=true&next=https%3A%2F%2Fdominiccummings.substack.com%2Fabout

Somethingneedstochange · 06/07/2022 11:14

Oh bore off in times of crisis the British always see humour in everything. If we don't laugh we'll cry.

Somethingneedstochange · 06/07/2022 11:19

Rubbish he's a rascist bigot. He had it printed on the side of a bus we were sending millions a week to the EU andsomestill believe it. Those who voted mostly regret it. We've got farmers not able to get staff to harvest crops. But yeah immigrants are stealing our jobs ffs. 🙄👀

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 11:26

I think you will find everyone standing around the cake worked in No 10!!
A gathering of randoms it wasn’t!

Its a stitch up!

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 11:28

I don’t know anyone at all that voted brexit that now regrets it, I do know lots of people however that say they were surprised but how little difference it made to their lives. People are scared of change, it’s natural.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 11:30

Boris is going to win a snap election - he should call one today

Blossomtoes · 06/07/2022 11:31

Whatever you think of Johnson he had a thumping mandate to lead the country and this really isn't good for democracy

A mandate based on a manifesto that Johnson has used to wipe his arse. What price democracy when he illegally prorogued parliament? Where was democracy when he removed the whip from any MP that disagreed with him? Johnson is the biggest enemy of democracy this country has ever seen.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 11:35

And YET many millions voted for Boris, knowing exactly who he is…….

It is disturbing to see rules being changed - attack after attack - not unlike the remain plotters one notes…….

Blossomtoes · 06/07/2022 11:41

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 11:35

And YET many millions voted for Boris, knowing exactly who he is…….

It is disturbing to see rules being changed - attack after attack - not unlike the remain plotters one notes…….

It was pretty bloody disturbing seeing parliament prorogued. Apparently that doesn’t bother you, despite your passion for democracy.

Eeksteek · 06/07/2022 11:43

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 10:15

‘How is that not incompetence, gross misconduct and a sackable offence?’

There’s not really such a thing as ‘sacking’ the PM. Only the Tory party as a whole can do that unless we have an election.

Which is precisely my point. No matter how bad he is, he’s unsackable. And he knows it. He can do what the fuck he likes. Politically, the Tory party can have one shot a year at getting a PM out. But conduct wise, we are relying on their integrity and decency to a) not be a twat and b) resign if they get found out. And yet the people who are the least principled and thus most likely to behave immorally are also the ones least likely to resign, so it’s not at all fit for purpose. It really pisses me off that the people who make the rules are so often exempt from the rules. That’s not healthy. Mostly for smaller things that every day people would suffer life changing consequences for. What would happen if you dozed in meetings? Or fiddled your expenses? Or in fact failed to turn up at work at all? Why is there is no body with any power who can effectively discipline MPs conduct? (And ish, actually. No one should set their own pay!). We know this, because they are still routinely behaving in ways long deemed unacceptable (with actual consequences) in wider society. I know there have been fines. But thousands in fines to people will millions is no deterrent. Quite the opposite actually. They just think it’s a sort of post-offence fee. So why not chance it? It’s not bloody on!

Let’s charitably suppose a PM lost capacity. Maybe they develop dementia or a brain tumour. But the refuse to leave office. They start by surrounding themselves with people who owe them large favours (which they implement by improperly spending public money and using their influence for personal gain for their new sidekicks). The new sidekicks do favours back (by improperly making new enforcing or ignoring existing legislation). Some of these are exposed, and the PM is investigated and found guilty of them. He pays the fines, but remains in office. This happen again, to our fictional PM and his aides. He is found to have appointed people who are not fit to govern. But he refuses to resign. Other ministers become uncomfortable. A vote of no confidence is called, but they have so many people bought by improper means they scrape through. More ministers become uncomfortable. They begin to resign. Calls for the PM to resign increase. His position is ‘precarious’ people say ‘how can he survive this?’ But it’s the wrong question. He doesn’t have to survive it. There is no reason he should resign because others have. He makes more dubious appointments for immoral reasons to fill the gaps. More ministers resign. He fills the gap with more people with few principles than ever for even more spurious reasons. He doesn’t resign - why ever would he? He can’t be sacked. By the time the next VOC comes around he has done so many dodgy favours and given so many bribes funded by the tax payer he scrapes through again. And again. Until eventually a GE is forced at the last possible moment and the PM, and his party are voted out by a distrusted public. If there are any left. If they have not brought in media controls, eroded rights to protest and strike, or just killed off or subjugated entire swathes of the population through poor management of resources. Or some really, really stupid ideas. The PM could decide to invade Russia, abolish the welfare state, sell off the NHS to his new ministers’s new healthcare companies, abolish tax for anyone earning over 50k and try to tax Australia to pay for it while legalising prostitution and drug use avid privatising the police.

Ands there’s nothing anyone could do about. Nothing. Until a GE is due anyway.

THAYS a threat to democracy. That’s a coup. That’s a real danger. There’s no way to get rid of a rogue.

wellhelloitsme · 06/07/2022 11:46

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 11:35

And YET many millions voted for Boris, knowing exactly who he is…….

It is disturbing to see rules being changed - attack after attack - not unlike the remain plotters one notes…….

Disturbing to see rules being changed? The irony. You're blind to his failings, that's clear. I can't understand it. If someone I support behaves poorly or without integrity at some point, even if I still support them in general I would be capable of saying yes, they were very wrong to do xyz and it's completely fair that other people therefore cannot support them. Some Boris fanatics seem incapable of recognising this. Very odd.