Sajid Javid just resigned

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That’s all.

The next Tory leader won’t have much time to do anything so I’m not bothered. Take your hyperbolic scaremongering somewhere else.

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Boris for this faults pledged to level up, he worked hard to finally overhaul social care.
He believed the route for the conservatives was creating a fairer society, and I can not adequately explain just how very badly that went down in the party.
Many a time I have heard people call him Labour
Lite and a bloody socialist. When you look at his policies you can see the aggravation.

He should have cut tax when he had the chance and should not have forced through that very contentious social care policy. He thought he was safe with his comfortable majority - but it was a huge mistake unless he was actively serving and benefiting the conservatives and their direct interests his days were always going to be numbered….

The Money Train has screeched to a shuddering stop - the true age of austerity has started as of today

Two years is plenty of time! Potentially six…

Part of the issue was reportedly Sunak and Johnson diverging on spending currently

There is a fair bit of disgruntlement over spending in the party and in post bi election feedback

Johnson was on the spend more side and at the other end some will talk about returning to small state, lower taxes

More like six months. You’re deluded if you think it will be much longer. GE in the spring, if not sooner.

I don’t think it’s deluded I know Labour are desperate for a GE but time is on the Cons side

However no one knows what will happen, nor who will win so it’s wait and see

Listening earlier to Wakefield feedback two big issues were partygate and high spending - so both could be dropped with Johnson

Partygate won’t be dropped any time soon. Partying while granny died alone and pictures of the Queen sitting alone at her husband’s funeral will haunt the Tories for years.

Partygate absoluetely won't be dropped soon if a) Johnson really is hanging on for his wedding bash b) Rishi stands.

It was heavily tied to Johnson amd linked to his personal failings

That was the choice of Labour and others

We’ll see how much it sticks on the new leader but I doubt say, Ben Wallace for example would be accountable to the public for partygate

Of course the posters already committed on mn will talk about it to eternity but it was linked to Johnson

Anyone that seriously seriously thinks that the next Tory leader will be continuing with levelling up and social care tax are utterly delusional.

We are just about to see the hard side of the Conservative party

Boris for this faults pledged to level up, he worked hard to finally overhaul social care.

Boris has never worked hard at anything in his life, apart from at lying to save his skin. And he most certainly has NOT overhauled social care.

The current Tory leader didn't even start with levelling up, so the next one is hardly likely to make any attempt at it I agree.

Labour can’t call a GE so two years of ‘pure’ conservatism it is. People have short memories. Boris was conservative with a very small C

Mud will continue to stick to every minister and MP who supported Johnson through the prorogation lies, partygate, the Paterson scandal, the free school meals about-turn, the wallpaper for favours scandal, the PPE contract waste, killing care home residents, the jobs-for-the-mistress scandal, the Rwanda scandal, Barnard Castle, the covid-contracts-for-mates scandal, the Test and Trace fuck-up and countless other scandals and cock-ups and who claims only now to be shocked by his lack of integrity and honesty.

We’ll see

Of course there are Labour supporters who will never switch, if you look on here it’s obvious that Johnson going wouldn’t change that, but it’s those who reacted to partygate and do vote Conservative generally who are there for the vote

‘Boris is a liar’ etc it was personal and tied to him and his personal failings, pretty much leading to today

It felt like blockage on partygate repeat for 6 months will be good to move on. I hope the new leader is someone that is generally liked. There are a few favourites who I prefer too.

Partygate was ridiculous but I’m glad for today actually

Mud will continue to stick to every minister and MP who supported Johnson through the prorogation lies, partygate, the Paterson scandal, the free school meals about-turn, the wallpaper for favours scandal, the PPE contract waste, killing care home residents, the jobs-for-the-mistress scandal, the Rwanda scandal, Barnard Castle, the covid-contracts-for-mates scandal, the Test and Trace fuck-up and countless other scandals and cock-ups and who claims only now to be shocked by his lack of integrity and honesty.

I don't think it will (sadly).

Partygate will be associated with Boris - it was his "home" and his staff doing the partying. Sunak will find some mud sticking after his fine though.

I think regardless of supporting Boris for as long as they did, you'll get some front runners in the leadership contest who will be perceived to have fairly clean hands.

I think the key battlegrounds are going to be economic policy and defence.

On that basis I see Wallace and Javid (as a former chancellor) as the front runners.

No it's called having a sence of humour. Seem's to have been lost with some people these days. Bet your fun at parties. Not!

I kind of want my late teen kids to experience a Labour government so they can appreciate just how shit Labour are in power! They've heard all the amazing and batshit promises
from Corbyn and Starmer, but haven't lived through a Labour government!

I’d like them to experience it too. In the last 43 years we’ve had Tory governments for 30 years with a lovely 13 year interlude of Labour. A time when tens of thousands of children were lifted out of poverty, public services ran efficiently and the economy was stable. My most fervent hope is that I won’t end my life under a Tory government. I’ve only got another 20 years if I’m lucky so with a bit of luck your kids and I can enjoy life under a functional government. God knows it’s about time we had one again.

Labour was nice at the beginning with Blair but it didn’t end well. Illegal war and financial crash.

I voted for Blair and liked his centrist optimism at the time. Starmer just isn’t there with the same for me.

The only time since the eighties that I've not seen homeless on the streets was during a labour government.

The financial crash was global @MarshaBradyo but of course you know that. Every political party and most of the public supported the Iraq war, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

The late 90’s early 00’s were good for me too. Sure start centres were great, as pp said no homelessness and functional public services, the local play park was well cared for there was so much optimism. Child tax credits made a real difference. Lots of good things came from New Labour.

A shame about the GRA, the Iraq war and the extradition agreement with the US. Too much a puppet of the US administration by the end, in my opinion.

Still an illegal war is not great legacy, others might feel differently that’s up to them.

We have two huge global events now impacting everyone too.

People can make their own decisions re voting I don’t need to convince people. I know the issues I care about though hence posting on the sex and gender board.