Amy Hamm - Canadian Nurse being disciplined for being GC

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I've not seen a thread on Amy on MN and the search didn't show up anything. She seems to be being put through the wringer by tras and by her nursing college.

I thought if she saw this thread it might be cheering , she's on twitter. I found her thanks to Bette.

quillette.com/2022/04/08/im-being-investigated-by-the-british-columbia-college-of-nurses-because-i-believe-biological-sex-is-real/

Thank you signalbox, yes that makes sense.

Although I'm not sure i understand how a legal system can dictate what a witness can or can't comment on ...before they have spoken or been asked questions. Surely it does beg for witnesses to be deemed 'unqualified ' because they know too much, about too many things? If the system can hobble a witness to say only the things that BC nursing council deem acceptable, what is the point.

The sound was so terrible (whilst the person from BC nursing council was wearing fabulous ear cans, her mic was pointing at the ceiling). That being said, I'm sure I heard her object to various questions, including one about evidence base for trans healthcare & treatment and one about the credibility of WPATH. BC nurse council member deemed both questions irrelevant to this case?... i thought that was a bit odd in a disciplinary hearing of a nurse concerned about poor evidence and the influence this poor evidence has on healthcare, patient outcomes, professionals and the language they can use? And didn't Marcie bowers give evidence in earlier hearing? As a key player in WPATH isn't it reasonable to question the credibility of Marcis evidence?

Also chuckled when they repeatedly stated Amy did wrong speak when she was 'identifying as a nurse'. Who'd have thunk, you can identify anything these days.

Thoughts are with Amy.

I just found myself in the webex room alone with ... I guess the admins. Very strange as I'd logged in and forgotten about it in the backround.

Your not alone. But I'm not sure how long I'll be awake.

New link for hearing...

https://healthreg.webex.com/healthreg/j.php?MTID=me90fe7268452d7287892ac419749de6b

Is anyone else joining? It looks like it's just me with James Cantor in the waiting room. I'm so confused.

I'm there as well - now have sound and vision

Well this is different to our tribunals. It looks like James Cantor is being cross examined for acceptance as a witness?

Are they really going to spend the whole of the rest of the day having Dr Cantor describe every journal he's ever written, study he's ever done and case he's ever testified in, just to determine whether or not he can be called an expert?

I know right?

It’s a very odd system. No wonder this case is dragging on so long.

It's insane, he's been an expert in 31 trials, so he's been found suitable 31 times.

Apparently one of the expert witnesses for the other side sat in and watched which was against the rules. The lawyer (Findlay) was using them to get advice on questions up ask the Dr and when called on it basically just said 'oops sorry'

I’m not watching, just reading the comments here, and have followed the previous events that led to this point but……it’s a total farce, isn’t it? How can they claim with a straight face that this will offer any chance of justice for Amy Hamm? It’s absolutely beyond all belief now.

Apparently one of the expert witnesses for the other side sat in and watched which was against the rules. The lawyer (Findlay) was using them to get advice on questions up ask the Dr and when called on it basically just said 'oops sorry'

Really? I’d dropped off by that point! She must know this isn’t acceptable. When Dr Cantor was admitted into the hearing early Amy’s lawyer flagged it immediately. I wonder if bf got the job due to her ideological beliefs over her skill as a lawyer. Hopefully this shows she in over her head if she can’t even plan what questions to ask without the assistance of their expert.

Anyone watching this this evening? Amy's lawyer has just put on the record how inappropriate it was for the BCCNM's expert to be present during Amy's expert's evidence yesterday. They say this could potentially prevent Amy from receiving a fair hearing.

I couldn't drop in again. The process here is terrible. Maybe this might work for a very narrow tribunal but reading a CV taking hours, what possible value does that have? I really feel for Amy. Having followed the Jo Pheonix tribunal the contrast couldn't be clearer. They managed to get through a huge number of witnesses because of the tight time management and the hefty use of submissions.

Cantor - answering a question about why he produced a paper debunking WPATH's statements drawn from the literature - in essence he took down each statement by referencing the source material and correcting the statements. Feels that WPATH misrepresented the literature...impact on children unnecessary medicalisation...with no positive impact. (Paraphrased)

Not sure if this was the export but p.44, para 101 is interesting.

adfmedialegalfiles.blob.core.windows.net/files/MarshallCantorReport.pdf

*export = report

Is anyone live tweeting this?

If they were, they would would in snooze mode by now, interspersed with a meerkat like alert every now and then. Glacial pace.

Tribunal tweets aren't tweeting live, but are doing a roll up after each day tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/british-columbia-college-of-nurses

Thanks Chilling, much appreciated.

Watching. This is nuts.

And we were critical of EJ Young!

Out of interest, did the Judge ask for people's pronouns?