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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

GRA and UK Gov. Suella Braverman to intervene.

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Cismyfatarse · 04/07/2022 07:08

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/constitutional-row-looms-as-suella-braverman-targets-scottish-gender-bill-6vdsvfgk3?shareToken=6f186838336dd6a60fb79a7f4acbc05e

With my feminist hat on I am delighted that this legislation is going to be challenged. I had hoped it would be.

With my complete disagreement with Scottish independence movement, I do have some concerns that Harvie and Sturgeon will use this to legitimise their push for a referendum (Westminster interfering).

However, I have much more faith in Westminster as an institution with committees providing checks and balances.

I live in Scotland and have done for 26 years and I teach here so I see what damage is being done in schools. I am no legal or constitutional expert.

What do others think?

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OldCrone · 05/07/2022 13:25

@Hearach15
Do you believe that all men should have the right to be legally recognised as women if they want to? Self ID means that they can.

PearlClutch · 05/07/2022 14:24

Are you counting 'being held in a locked cell with a vulnerable woman' as a human right, here, Hearach? That's one I've not heard before.

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 14:43

‘The existence of trans criminals is not going to persuade me that trans people do not deserve rights.’

Me neither. Nobody, though, has the right to insist on their own entry into another objectively defined category. They can ask for respect and kindness, they can insist on their legal rights against discrimination for the way they choose to present. They can’t insist on everyone else going along with the way they perceive themselves.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/07/2022 14:44

Hearach15 · 05/07/2022 13:21

The existence of trans criminals is not going to persuade me that trans people do not deserve rights.

Similarly, the existence of gay criminals will not persuade me that gay people do not deserve rights.

Not a very good comparison. What rights have LGB people ever insisted on having which have put the safety and human rights of others at risk?

By comparison, the right for a male person to self-ID as a woman with no gatekeeping puts the safety and privacy of all women and girls at risk. This has been passed into laws in some countries, but with minimal discussion, and often on the coat tails of other human rights changes. Ireland is finding out now what a big mistake that was.

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