Baroness Nicholson on Regent Street flags

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Her letter here:

twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1542733465157877760/photo/1

I'd tell ds1s partner

But quite honestly I think he'd agree 🤔

Gordon Ramsey adds expletives taste, colour, and flair to the world!

Is he the L, the G, the B or the T, then? Or maybe a +?

It's all so tedious, isn't it. Stereotypes, gimp masks and furries taking over pride, and the wholesale denial of homosexuality.

You couldn't make it up.

I’d be too chicken to try it on my niece because she is pushing 6foot and a very fit firefighter. She’d be able to knock me into next week.

She’s pretty ‘colourful’ because she is a firefighter though.

What if Keith (in accounting) doesn't want to add taste, colour and flair to the world? What if he just wants to do his job and then go home to watch TV with his husband? Will he not be gay any more?

I though we had Eurovision to add taste, colour and flair to the world. It seems a heavy responsibility to place on private citizens.

Icantreachthepretzels · Today 11:49
Hearach - I don't think you understand that tweet (or perhaps you do but are being disingenuous). It's not saying what you think it's saying at all. She isn't saying being a lesbian is 'degrading' she is saying that she thought allowing same sex marriage would 'degrade' (by which she means blur/ confuse/ change for the worse) the status of what a woman was and their treatment in society.

And you cannot argue that she has not been proven right. Even the UN now refuses to define a woman.

I don't agree that it is same sex marriage itself that has caused it (But then I don't know that she thought precisely that either), but the fact is Stonewall have pivoted to their anti-sex based rights, pro-gender, TRA stance since marriage equality was achieved, their initial aims seeming complete, and so they found a new cause to champion in order to keep the money coming in. Gay marriage has - inadvertantly - been the catalyst for Stonewall campaigning to remove women's rights and redefine homosexuality against the will of actual homosexuals.

This is not gay marriage's fault, nor does it make gay marriage a bad thing or even the voting for it a bad thing. It is entirely Stonewall's fault for choosing to champion a further, nebulous cause - not in line with their initial aims - just to stay on the gravy train. It is an act of corporate greed.

However, it is no bad thing for our lawmakers to stop and think of the full ramifications of any piece of legislation - no matter how honourable and just its intentions - before it is passed into law. Nor is it a bad thing for them to vote against that legislation if they think it is badly worded and that the ramifications will be negative and far reaching.

The baroness has said she thought the status of wome would be degraded following marriage equality being granted - as it was worded in the law she was voting on - and it has been.

Stop pretending that you think that means she has said that lesbians getting married is degrading.

Well explained, Icantreach and thank you for going to the trouble of doing so.

There were even gay people against same sex marriage for various reasons, when the new bill was being debated. For those gay people who were opposed to it, it was not homophobia towards themselves.

This reminds me of the Bill Maher bit, where being gay is now vanilla. There's probably a lot of truth in that, Pride was about pushing the boundaries and now gay relationships are very mainstream, a family member of mine and his partner would be seen as very boring and are not interested in Pride.

Maybe hence focussing on the TQ+ plus drag acts whoever they represent. I don't really know.

I remember Pride in the good old days - when Emma Nicholson as she then was used to chat to Jacob and Annunziata Rees-Mogg over a pot of lapsang about why lesbians shouldn't have children

Coming from someone who supports an ideology that thinks lesbians can be two men, I'm not sure it's her credibility that's up for question 🙄

Not really - being LGBT is great and well worth celebrating. We make the world a better place simply by existing
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Nope, the Baroness is a bigot who doesn't want gays to get married or have kids together. I am so glad her views are those of a minority in Britain today.

If that is the case then why has hate crime gone up so much?

Johnnysgirl. - Today 15:10
What "contribution" do any LGBT people make to anything that is solely due to their LGBT status, and not just down to them as a person like any other?

I was wondering the same. Surely anyone’s contribution to society comes from the people they are, their character, their talents and what they do for society. Someone’s sexual orientation, someone’s sense of having a gender identity different from their sex, wouldn’t itself seem to contribute anything except general variety - and all sorts of characteristics, from all sorts of people, add to that.

Hearach15 · Today 16:31
If that is the case then why has hate crime gone up so much?

I am not sure what you mean by hate crime going up in the U.K. Please would you give examples?

I have heard disagreement with the idea of trans women being included in women’s sports, prisons, refuges, rape centres, changing rooms being called ‘violent’ or a ‘hate’ crime.

I have also seen women who have expressing alarm at the incursion into these spaces being threatened with rape or called witches who should burn. I would call this hateful speech.

If actual crimes against trans gender people have gone up in the U.K. then that is a terrible thing.

If you change the definition of hate crime, employ lots of extra people and dedicated phone lines to report even tiny non-criminal incidents, then include those in the statistics, it is quite likely to look as if hate crime has increased.
Meanwhile, rape and sexual assault might as well be legal.
The police won't come out for burglary, assault, stalking, criminal damage and theft of property.
If, OTOH, you are a disabled woman with a sticker, or the wrong sort of books in your home, you will be arrested.

I would be interested to see the response to the questions posed to Baroness Nicolson.

Teresa May got plaudits for saying she has changed her mind about LGB since the Eighties and Nineties, and now open minded about the T.

Nuance is missing from most debates.

Trans widows refusing to address their newly transed husbands by female pronouns or to call them “wife” goes on the list of hate crimes and literal violence so excuse us if we’re somewhat cynical about this massive rise in “hate crime”

refusing to go along with the delusions of men who claim to feel like women even though they can have no more idea what it feels like to be a woman than what it feels like to be a wombat is not hate

the total number of hate crime offences has soared in recent years. However, this has been driven by changes to both the recording of crimes and the identification of what constitutes a hate crime. Measures of hate crime that are unaffected by changes in policing or recording methods, such as the Crime Survey for England and Wales, show a “long-term decline in hate crime”.

The hate crime rises that many politicians refer to when talking about the trans issue, is due to new College of Policing guidance that arrived in in 2014, which states that the “defining factor” in whether something is measured as a hate crime is “the perception of the victim, or any other person”. Many of these seem to be so subjective that they’re absurd, such as someone beeping their horn at a fellow motorist — who reported it to the police as a racist attack, and at least one force has admitted it has included, in its hate crime statistics, incidents in which no crime had actually taken place.

When TRAs talk about the exclusion of men from women's sports as 'genocidal', no one is going take their claims of oppression seriously. The hyperbole doesn't wash.

Furthermore, it's not an excuse. Trans ideology makes a mockery of sexual orientation, and sex as a protected characteristic.

And the Baroness is on it.

The definition of hate crime has now become so broad that it's almost meaningless. We know that transwoman being called sir has been recorded as a hate incident.

Suffragette ribbons have been recorded as a hate crime.

In 1999, the Admiral Duncan pub in Old Compton Street which was very popular with gay men was targeted by a neo nazi nail bomber who killed 3 people and injured many more. That's a hate crime.

Before your time, obviously.

Hate crime has gone up since Stonewall et al started forcing this ideology (like declaring your pronouns, allowing men with beards to self ID themselves as women).

If you speak to real trans women they will say that they faced a lot less hostility 5 years ago. Toilets weren't an issue, but since men in men's clothing started self IDing as women the issue of toilets became a thing.

Indeed.

Before your time, obviously.

Yeah, I expect the poster would think of them as just "boomers"