Baroness Nicholson on Regent Street flags

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Her letter here:

twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1542733465157877760/photo/1

She’s absolutely right. And the Pride parade has turned into a freak show.

The term is used as a euphemism for ‘silly old bugger’ or ‘old git’. Sad how your brain falls out your ears when you hit your 40th eh?

You lot are being trolled by, what is most probably an 'on the spectrum ' teenage boy, taking a break from Reddit, and their sock account.

Shhhhhh. We know. It’s quite sad really. Wee kiddo spending his Saturday hanging out with them mummies.

feels a bit offensive- at least I'm not claiming that an homophobe with a long track record of supporting restrictions on abortion is a feminist heroine

Yawn. Isn’t it your bedtime?

That's why they're tediously repeating themselves.

Ahh. My kid grew out of that a king time ago.

Logey · Today 16:59

I am not sure what you mean by hate crime going up in the U.K. Please would you give examples?

Baroness Nicholson on Regent Street flags

Thank you for the chart. I was interested to see that hate crimes had also gone up for disability, religion and race.

The chart does not explain the nature of the hate crimes against trans, but I know one person arrested for a hate crime had put up stickers saying women are human females, and you have given the example of a letter of disagreement.

We have had lots of women murdered or raped, and black children disproportionately strip searched by the please for what proved groundless reasons. That seems like hate. Endless hate in the form of words to JKR too.

The Baroness is a formidable woman who knows how to write a good letter.
She is highly intelligent and understands the nuances of sentences and words. She is passionate about women and girls and is so aware of what is going on, not only in the UK but around the world.
I honestly thought that picture of the flags in Regent Street were photoshopped and was really surprised to see the yellow circle supposedly representing 'intersex' people. Stonewall has decided to leave the intersex community alone (see glossary). I do wonder how they will get asexual represented on the progress flag as this seems to be their next project. No doubt targeted at children who are not at the development stage where they are interested in sexual activity. Worryingly I have seen that asexual can mean you just don't enjoy sexual intercourse but can do it anyway.

@FemaleAndLearning · Today 23:30

A slight derail based on your useful image from Stonewall’s glossary page for ‘Intersex’.

^Intersex
A term used to describe a person
who may have the biological
attributes of both sexes or whose
biological attributes do not fit with
societal assumptions about what
constitutes male or female.
Intersex people may identify as male,
female or non-binary.
Stonewall works with intersex groups
to provide its partners and
stakeholders information and
evidence about areas of
disadvantage experienced by intersex
people but does not, after
discussions with members of the
intersex community, include intersex
issues as part of its current remit at
this stage^

It is good to see Stonewall have officially decided to leave Intersex alone. But note they do not mention chromosomes, possibly finding that word too linked to biology, even though mentioning them helps our understanding of intersex conditions. And they say ‘assumptions about biological attributes’ which to me has an echo of the ‘assigned at birth’ jargon.

Apparently a thoughtful and polite way of describing intersex, it also bolsters the idea that there is no such thing as usual sexes.

@ScrollingLeaves yes the definition is awful but at least they do admit they've been asked to leave the term out. This is why I don't understand why other people are still insistent on using it. The Baroness is complaining based on the fact that the flags got planning permission for the pride rainbow stripes not the progress plus intersex flag.

@FemaleAndLearning · Yesterday 23:59

@ScrollingLeaves yes the definition is awful but at least they do admit they've been asked to leave the term out. This is why I don't understand why other people are still insistent on using it. The Baroness is complaining based on the fact that the flags got planning permission for the pride rainbow stripes not the progress plus intersex flag.

Yes, you are right.
Thank you for explaining so well exactly what Baroness Nicholson is objecting to; and for pointing out that Stonewall now states that Intersex, at the behest of the people concerned, is no longer included in their [LGBT] remit.

Baroness Nicholson’s complaint is a legitimate and reasonable one which stands in defence of people with an Intersex condition.

The Intersex condition (or, Differences of sexual development) has been so thoroughly hijacked as ‘proof’ that there is no such thing as a fixed [conflation of] sex/gender, that probably very few people know it is neither a gender identity nor a middle-ground sex.

Let me say again though, that Stonewall’s glossary does not exactly help anyone be any the wiser.

I had a wonderful day at Pride today, marching with a group of colleagues - mostly gay men, lesbians and bisexuals, ranging in age from 20s to 50s, all of us proudly wearing the Progress Pride flag on our t-shirts. I took along a selection of mini flags for people to wave, representing a range of identities, and the trans flag was definitely the most popular. Probably because many of us know how it feels to face the kind of hostility that trans people are facing today, and we want to show our solidarity with them.

That’s nice dear. Did everyone clap and was that crowd Albert Einstein?

There might be a kernel of truth there. Do you think that offline, series comes across as the kind of person who wouldn't note down the names of anyone who didn't pick up an available pink and blue flag?

Also, brand name recognition. The trans flag and the Pride flags are the most well known right now. If you have "a selection of mini flags" to pick from and it's too loud in the crowd to ask what each one represents, you'll likely pick the known quantity.

Series reminds me if that kid at school who’d make careful notes on the other kids for use in snitching later.

At Pride we celebrate surviving the moronic attitudes of people like Baroness Nicholson as a group and the acceptance and friendship we share together 😍

Who does Pride represent now?

Hate crimes as defined by the Home Office:

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2020-to-2021/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2020-to-2021

Home Office data: www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2020-to-2021/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2020-to-2021

That was indeed before my time but if you were LGBT you would know that LGBT people are still disproportionately victims of violent crime:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/11/the-women-who-were-attacked-on-a-bus-and-fought-back-we-have-a-profound-bond

Ah yes, 'it's their own fault that they are subjected to increased hate crimes'. What a disgusting attitude to blame victims for the actions of criminals.

Sorry you believe LGBT people are "freaks" - have you considered moving to Saudi Arabia? They don't put up with us "freaks" there.

The Baroness is complaining based on the fact that the flags got planning permission for the pride rainbow stripes not the progress plus intersex flag

wait….i flicked through the letter cos it was so small

and then when i started reading the thread people were saying that she didnt like the flags so I’m afraid i took that as gospel….that she was complaining about pride flags and/or the amount of them

(my issue was more that she has the right to free speech)

but she wasn’t at all?

what the fuck are people whining about then?

apologies for being so very, very late to this…doh 🤦🏻‍♂️