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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

If you're cis and you won't date trans folk, you're a transphobe!

129 replies

PaddleBoardingMomma · 29/06/2022 16:54

www.instagram.com/tv/CeP2jo2KZyr/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

I can only apologise to your ears.

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Braggiography · 29/06/2022 18:35

Most of all what I find off putting is people who get ANGRY with me for not wanting to sleep with them.

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 29/06/2022 18:40

Let's call this what it is. Having sex with.

Not 'dating'. Not 'sleeping with'. Fuck those euphemisms. This is about sex and sexual activity. Coercive sex actually.

HeadOnShoulders · 29/06/2022 18:40

The only correct reply to being called a transphobe is, "Yeah, and...?"

HoneysuckleBeanstalk · 29/06/2022 18:41

I'm a lesbian. I feel like I should say LESBIAN !!!! (at the top of my voice) since we're now on the sidelines these days. There's not a single trans woman I could possibly date.

It's all gone nuts. The only time in real life I've heard anyone say "trans women are women", was in a gay bar in town a couple of months ago. A drag Queen ranting "trans women are women ", expecting applause. I wasn't the only one rolling my eyes at him.

ClinkeyMonkey · 29/06/2022 18:41

Jeez, what have I just seen? Yeah let's sing songs bullying lesbians into sleeping with trans women. That'll work. Especially when it's soooo sincere🙄

Conflictedunicorn · 29/06/2022 18:44

HeadOnShoulders · 29/06/2022 18:40

The only correct reply to being called a transphobe is, "Yeah, and...?"

This. It is now my reaction. Somehow it confuses them.

TheWeeDonkey · 29/06/2022 18:47

Wow, incels are getting really bold these days.

I can remember way back in the way back if you wouldn't sleep with a man it must be because you're a lesbian. Now lesbians who don't want to sleep with fetishists are phobic. What a time to be alive.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 29/06/2022 18:48

So I’m a trans phone. ( autocorrect, rather good). Or, perhaps, just a sensible and realistic human being.

Dillydollydingdong · 29/06/2022 18:50

Ok so I'm a transphobe. I'm not a lesbian but I still don't want to have sex with a transwoman!

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 29/06/2022 18:55

Yeah, you're right @TheWeeDonkey It'd be an interesting conversation.

Man: Why won't you shag me? Are you a fucking lesbian or something?

Woman: Yes

Man: So why won't you shag me? Are you transphobic or something?

Woman: Yes if you insist

Man: Right well, then you must be ... <blusters>

Woman: I think the term you're searching for is, "deeply unattracted to you as a person"

Braggiography · 29/06/2022 19:03

Who actually is the person in the video?

TheWeeDonkey · 29/06/2022 19:09

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 29/06/2022 18:55

Yeah, you're right @TheWeeDonkey It'd be an interesting conversation.

Man: Why won't you shag me? Are you a fucking lesbian or something?

Woman: Yes

Man: So why won't you shag me? Are you transphobic or something?

Woman: Yes if you insist

Man: Right well, then you must be ... <blusters>

Woman: I think the term you're searching for is, "deeply unattracted to you as a person"

🤣 They don't exactly sell themselves do they?

Conflictedunicorn · 29/06/2022 19:13

I’m confused though. If everyone is trans, and we must be because every single human being is non binary (ie does not conform to female or male gender norms 100%) when it comes to gender, that means no one is ‘cis’ so we can all date who we like and no one can be a transphobe?

ThickCutSteakChips · 29/06/2022 19:13

Skelligsfeathers · 29/06/2022 17:44

Every time i click on that link it takes me to something completely different

Yes, same here, and none of them are the video in question. I was very confused on the first click as it was one of those 'this is my first drink of the night videos' and I watched the entire thing waiting for the punchline! Grin

nepeta · 29/06/2022 19:17

I would have thought that the immense shrinkage of the dating pool would be something people consider in making their transitioning decision. A heterosexual man/heterosexual woman has, in theory, at least, a much larger pool of potential sexual partners than a trans woman/trans man. If the latter insists on total validation and so excludes all bisexual people, the remaining dating pool is a little puddle.

That is simply a fact of life, and no amount of trying to talk people into having sex with someone can affect that.

crosstalk · 29/06/2022 19:18

Bizarre. Who thought cis-lesbian would be a thing?
It seems very incellish. Is this behind many men self identifying as women?

Conflictedunicorn · 29/06/2022 19:19

nepeta · 29/06/2022 19:17

I would have thought that the immense shrinkage of the dating pool would be something people consider in making their transitioning decision. A heterosexual man/heterosexual woman has, in theory, at least, a much larger pool of potential sexual partners than a trans woman/trans man. If the latter insists on total validation and so excludes all bisexual people, the remaining dating pool is a little puddle.

That is simply a fact of life, and no amount of trying to talk people into having sex with someone can affect that.

I think this is why there is all the screeching from the Traliban. They didn’t realise this, so now they’re trying to bully people into sleeping with them, and for total validation it has to be a lesbian with a TW and a gay man for a TM. nothing else will do

Fink · 29/06/2022 19:20

Ok, I'm a transphobe. But I also refuse to use the term 'folk' to describe people when it's not part of my dialect. I get that people want gender neutral terms to describe or address other people. In my dialect that word is 'people', I don't need to be told I'm bigoted because I say 'transgender people' instead of 'trans folk'. The fact that I say transgender rather than trans is already outré (because they want to elide all sorts of people under the trans umbrella and I quite like to keep the distinction between transsexual, transgender, transvestite etc.), but then that I don't use the word 'folk' is just the icing on the cake. If I'm in a particularly regressive mood I might even say 'ladies and gentlemen' even though I hate being called a lady, because, you know, it's just a way to get the attention of a crowd of people and I'm not actually interested in whether it's triggering to have the fact that some people are men and some are women mentioned in passing at the start of a speech. Or I might say 'guys' to a mixed group, or 'good lad' to a boy who has helped me in class. So I'm not just a transphobe, I'm also a linguist fascist, apparently.

Triotriotrio · 29/06/2022 19:20

Good job I'm not "cis" then...

BeReet · 29/06/2022 19:24

MandyMotherOfBrian · 29/06/2022 17:49

Wow. I remember when Weird Al Yankovic was funny.

🤣🤣🤣👏👏🏆

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 29/06/2022 19:27

strums guitar

if you think my belief I’m a woman’s escapist,
just wait till you find out
Im also a

if you think that you’re never attracted to men,
just wait till you realise I won’t let you say when

if you think that a penis will just make you shudder
you should know I’m great at going down…
into the gutter

ill call you transphobic and you’ll get straight to jerking
YOU MAY NOT RESIST

fuck why isn’t this working?

Bollindger · 29/06/2022 19:41

It makes me shudder that your no longer allowed to be attracted to the body type that turns you on, that sexuality is being weaponised .
If you are into a woman's body isn't that the whole point, that it doesn't come with added extra bit. By forcing a person to conform to a biological lie, are they now devaluing the argument they thrust down peoples throats of free choice?

Helleofabore · 29/06/2022 19:42

Braggiography · 29/06/2022 19:03

Who actually is the person in the video?

They are a tiktokker. Can’t be arsed to remember their name. But they have form for this - anger at women who disagree with them.

They are just one of the infuriated males lamenting about how women don’t accept them on the internet.

RoseLunarPink · 29/06/2022 19:46

I can honestly say that when I’ve refused to date trans folk it’s had fuck all to do with their sex organs and is related entirely to their personality and the vaguely threatening attitude of entitlement they have had.

Yes exactly. A trans person who wants to date in their assumed “gender” and expects their partner to accept them as if they were the opposite sex to what they are and overlook their own actual sex-based orientation, is an entitled twat with no respect for others’ feelings. Hence unattractive.

I also find pretending to be something you’re not and demanding that other people go along with the pretense deeply unattractive so that’s offputting too. It’s not because someone is trans. It’s possible to be trans without being dishonest and expecting people to lie. It’s just that those decent, unassuming trans people aren’t putting pressure on anyone.

and also what always bugs me about this bloody “sex organs”/“genital obsession” argument it it really is NOT just about sex organs. I wouldn’t fancy a trans man even if they magically had a real penis, because I don’t just fancy penises, I fancy lots of things about men, the whole male body, the voice, the shape etc. not as some kind of vehicle for a set of genitals.

LeniGray · 29/06/2022 19:48

Quite apart from my own sexual preferences, I couldn’t bring myself to date anyone so unbearably smug and condescending. Because, although I’m not generally given to violence, I might want to give them a slap tell them to sod off.