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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another go woke go broke - McCains

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Birdsweepsin · 28/06/2022 09:41

twitter.com/McCainUKIE/status/1541406087324246019?s=20&t=pug-ahmQqiD5mqyyLzLdAw

Who the hell in adland thinks insulting or mocking the people who buy your products is a winning strategy?

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 10:10

I'm sorry, MN just will not let me copy and paste any more without removing the paragraph breaks.

Neverendingdust · 30/06/2022 10:15

I’m probably on the wrong board saying this and no doubt all the powerful posters will flame me (🛡🙅🏻‍♀️🛡) but I find drag hilariously funny and don’t take any offence.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 10:32

So to recap.

We have the social media accounts for two nominally different brand management companies promoting the McCains campaign, by making identical quote tweets.

These companies also promote each other. I think it's reasonable to conclude that one/both was involved with producing the McCains campaign.

And these are the thoughts of the Global Head of Research and Insight at one of these two. So pretty senior.

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An inclusive approach

One where the LGBTQ+ community are cast within everyday scenarios, featuring brands and products. They’re just there in the ad like straight people, enjoying the products for the emotional and/or functional benefits. To be fair, this is likely to be the most realistic representation of LGBTQ+ people (brushing teeth and shampooing hair is pretty much standard across all demographics), but this route is safe (and boring) and the least creative representation. For most consumers it wouldn’t even register. It also does the community a disservice as it does not truly reflect the lives of the community.

A disruptive approach

One where difference, lived experience and unique perspective is used to generate insight and deliver more impactful campaigns. Think Colin Kaepernick and the Dream Crazy campaign from Nike (albeit this campaign dealt with the topic of racism). This approach is not without its risks. A different perspective could be harder to grasp because it’s not immediately relatable to mainstream audiences; there's a possibility it could alienate some people with a backlash online. This route, however, offers more creativity through taking a different perspective on a well-worn insight. Ultimately, it demonstrates that brands fully 'get' the communities they’re trying to represent and target.

(continues)

When looking at ideas that have cut though in the past, we see that the likes of Starbucks’ What's Your Name? and the Gillette’s First Shave ads garnered praise and recognition whilst at the same time drawing ire from the anti-woke crowd. But brands have to be relaxed and comfortable with that reaction; as long as you’re on the right side of the debate there will always be naysayers. In the short-term you might see a drop off in sales, but this is countered by longer-term gains. [bold mine]

(continues)

So, looking back, what makes a good Pride campaign great? My advice is don’t be afraid to embrace difference as a disruptor; always handle sensitive topics with care and in collaboration with the community and, finally, it’s ok to piss people off. Just as long as you’re pissing off the right people.

[bold mine]

From: www.shots.net/news/view/pride-its-ok-to-piss-people-off

MarshaBradyo · 30/06/2022 10:50

finally, it’s ok to piss people off. Just as long as you’re pissing off the right people.

yeh I’m sure women are the lowest from sexist agencies

I had hoped McCains and We Are Social get that we don’t like derogatory sexist humour but probably not

Nothing changes even if it’s a man in a dress and wig

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 10:52

Birdsweepsin · 28/06/2022 13:08

marcommnews.com/mccain-unveils-rupauls-drag-race-star-baga-chipz-as-creative-director/

15 people involved in this campaign.

11 or 12 of them women by my count.

But at the top? A Mark and an Angus

Oh and they knew exactly what they were doing: "The films are packed with Baga Chipz’ iconic innuendos, framing the midweek meal occasion as the perfect time to forget the rules, unwind and enjoy the things you love."

Aha. This, from earlier on in the thread, already reported that We Are Social produced this campaign. I've simply duplicated the OP's detective work. Blush

If this ad pissed you off, know that your approval is a sacrifice that We Are Social is prepared to make.

Thelnebriati · 30/06/2022 10:58

@Neverendingdust The question is not how do you feel about drag, but is drag suitable for children? Is it only suitable for adults? Not a pantomime dame (drag artists find being compared to them offensive afaik).

''Thing is OK because I'm OK with it'' is not a good enough argument for deciding policies.

DadJoke · 30/06/2022 11:02

Thelnebriati · 30/06/2022 10:58

@Neverendingdust The question is not how do you feel about drag, but is drag suitable for children? Is it only suitable for adults? Not a pantomime dame (drag artists find being compared to them offensive afaik).

''Thing is OK because I'm OK with it'' is not a good enough argument for deciding policies.

It's an entirely reasonable comparison. Pantomime dames make filthy innuendos which go over kids' heads all the time. It's just cognitive dissonance.

MenopausalMe · 30/06/2022 11:06

There was no innuendo in the McCain ad, just straight up referring to a female body part using an inappropriate term for small children by way of sexist demeaning ‘humour’

SkeletonFight · 30/06/2022 11:14

I'm not sure about how I feel. I think back to my childhood and panto dames and a Scottish actor called Stanley Baxter who was always impersonating women. My memories are laughing at him as he was obviously a man dressed in women's clothes .Les Dawson and Roy Barraclough are another two. Is this really any different? The humour is running at a level a child may not get.I do get that some would say this kind of comedy should never have existed. I have never watched any of the current drag shows so have no idea how misogynistic they are.

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 30/06/2022 11:16

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 08:19

If it's the chip butty one, definitely skip it. Baga says "I enjoy a good spreading, me" while putting the margarine on, and the lingering cringe meant I couldn't have a chip butty last night.

Oh my god that's fucking awful

There is no excuse for putting someone off a chip butty

It's a travesty 💐

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 11:17

DadJoke · 30/06/2022 11:02

It's an entirely reasonable comparison. Pantomime dames make filthy innuendos which go over kids' heads all the time. It's just cognitive dissonance.

You are still assuming that we all take our children to pantomimes and so can be assumed to have consented en masse to the type of innuendo used in pantomime.

As we already covered why such an argument was absolute tosh, the only conclusion I can draw is that you didn't read our replies.

Further, someone told you that good pantomimes use different jokes in the evening performances and the daytime performances, because they draw difference audiences. Note that this McCains ad is coming up during videos for children on Youtube Kids, in the morning.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 11:32

Finally, someone is treating my plight with the gravity it deserves. Thank you, Rufus. Never have I ever passed up a chip butty before, until last night. I had to eat my gorgeous chips without any bread whatsoever. Just couldn't stomach adding the slices in after that video.
Sad

DadJoke · 30/06/2022 12:54

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 11:17

You are still assuming that we all take our children to pantomimes and so can be assumed to have consented en masse to the type of innuendo used in pantomime.

As we already covered why such an argument was absolute tosh, the only conclusion I can draw is that you didn't read our replies.

Further, someone told you that good pantomimes use different jokes in the evening performances and the daytime performances, because they draw difference audiences. Note that this McCains ad is coming up during videos for children on Youtube Kids, in the morning.

No, I was directly adressing someone who appears to have no problem with taking their kids to pantomime.

Clymene · 30/06/2022 13:09

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 11:32

Finally, someone is treating my plight with the gravity it deserves. Thank you, Rufus. Never have I ever passed up a chip butty before, until last night. I had to eat my gorgeous chips without any bread whatsoever. Just couldn't stomach adding the slices in after that video.
Sad

I don't think I want to eat chip butties ever again after that

Braggiography · 30/06/2022 13:13

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 11:32

Finally, someone is treating my plight with the gravity it deserves. Thank you, Rufus. Never have I ever passed up a chip butty before, until last night. I had to eat my gorgeous chips without any bread whatsoever. Just couldn't stomach adding the slices in after that video.
Sad

I read that as 'gravy' in the first sentence, btw.

Braggiography · 30/06/2022 13:17

it’s ok to piss people off. Just as long as you’re pissing off the right people

Who is it they're aiming this ad at, then? Who are McCain's main customers, buying kiddy chip-related products?

I'm going to guess mothers.

Here we are, McCain. This is your focus group, us middle aged women with 'knockers' have seen your ad. Here's our general response:

Fuck off.

MarshaBradyo · 30/06/2022 13:22

Braggiography · 30/06/2022 13:17

it’s ok to piss people off. Just as long as you’re pissing off the right people

Who is it they're aiming this ad at, then? Who are McCain's main customers, buying kiddy chip-related products?

I'm going to guess mothers.

Here we are, McCain. This is your focus group, us middle aged women with 'knockers' have seen your ad. Here's our general response:

Fuck off.

Brilliant 😀

I concur. I hope the CD and marketing manager get it from
someone up higher

GoodJanetBadJanet · 30/06/2022 13:26

Well going by all these "I might never eat a chip butty again" comments maybe it's doing the nation's health a favour.
Let's just hope stuff like lettuce doesn't start featuring drag queens next or you're screwed 😂
Air, anyone?
Dust?!
(Dammit, just realised that dust sketch is another drag act - no dust either then! 😁 )

LK1972 · 30/06/2022 13:29

GoodJanetBadJanet · 30/06/2022 13:26

Well going by all these "I might never eat a chip butty again" comments maybe it's doing the nation's health a favour.
Let's just hope stuff like lettuce doesn't start featuring drag queens next or you're screwed 😂
Air, anyone?
Dust?!
(Dammit, just realised that dust sketch is another drag act - no dust either then! 😁 )

Or perhaps we could be spared drag being used to sell us stuff, because we're sick of it? Just a thought for the advertisers?

Birdsweepsin · 30/06/2022 13:30

"Lettuce"

You're not far off, I have been mooching around We Are Social's website and found this:

Now, we all know that queers are better than straights at everything. Cowboy hats. The act of longing. Throwing weddings. Salad…

wearesocial.com/uk/blog/2022/06/what-queer-instagram-can-teach-us-about-building-community-why-brands-should-be-more-gay/ if you can face it

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 13:31

Don't you worry, I filled up on chocolate biscuits afterwards, instead.

As I said before, I find I like to keep food and sex separate.

Another go woke go broke - McCains
MarshaBradyo · 30/06/2022 13:35

GoodJanetBadJanet · 30/06/2022 13:26

Well going by all these "I might never eat a chip butty again" comments maybe it's doing the nation's health a favour.
Let's just hope stuff like lettuce doesn't start featuring drag queens next or you're screwed 😂
Air, anyone?
Dust?!
(Dammit, just realised that dust sketch is another drag act - no dust either then! 😁 )

Or maybe the client would prefer not to spend on ads only to delete them because they can’t grasp what’s sexist to their target audience

GoodJanetBadJanet · 30/06/2022 13:37

Or perhaps we could be spared drag being used to sell us stuff, because we're sick of it? Just a thought for the advertisers?
It's popular though. Whether it's Marjorie Dawes or Baga.
Neither are sexual characters too.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean everyone else can't enjoy it, there's plenty of non drag adverts out there more to your taste.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 13:55

GoodJanetBadJanet · 30/06/2022 13:37

Or perhaps we could be spared drag being used to sell us stuff, because we're sick of it? Just a thought for the advertisers?
It's popular though. Whether it's Marjorie Dawes or Baga.
Neither are sexual characters too.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean everyone else can't enjoy it, there's plenty of non drag adverts out there more to your taste.

I don't think I love a good spreading was meant to refer to producing spreadsheets in Microsoft Excel.

Do we need to make a list for food companies of "topics of conversation and types of humour that are linked to suppression of interest in food"?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 14:18

MarshaBradyo · 30/06/2022 13:35

Or maybe the client would prefer not to spend on ads only to delete them because they can’t grasp what’s sexist to their target audience

It's okay! Paul Greenwood, Global Head of Research and Insight at We Are Social says,

But brands have to be relaxed and comfortable with that reaction; as long as you’re on the right side of the debate there will always be naysayers. In the short-term you might see a drop off in sales, but this is countered by longer-term gains.