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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another go woke go broke - McCains

412 replies

Birdsweepsin · 28/06/2022 09:41

twitter.com/McCainUKIE/status/1541406087324246019?s=20&t=pug-ahmQqiD5mqyyLzLdAw

Who the hell in adland thinks insulting or mocking the people who buy your products is a winning strategy?

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KittenKong · 29/06/2022 22:58

I was also traumatised by a really bad magician at a birthday party when I was about 5. ‘It’s magiiiiic’ he cried! IT WAS NOT!

Birdsweepsin · 30/06/2022 04:22

... and it's been deleted.

www.thedrum.com/news/2022/06/29/mccain-ad-starring-baga-chipz-draws-50-asa-complaints

Meanwhile, if the spot is found to be inappropriate for children, the brand will have to prove it never targeted media likely to be seen by this audience.

I wonder what will happen if they can't....

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KittenKong · 30/06/2022 07:38

So was it only for broadcast on social media?

Hied · 30/06/2022 07:42

I don't this it has been deleted. I can still see it from the link in the OP.

Hied · 30/06/2022 07:43

My apologies. It still shows the clip but underneath it says the tweet has been deleted.

How does that work then? Normally you can't see anything when it's deleted.

Clymene · 30/06/2022 08:13

Birdsweepsin · 30/06/2022 04:22

... and it's been deleted.

www.thedrum.com/news/2022/06/29/mccain-ad-starring-baga-chipz-draws-50-asa-complaints

Meanwhile, if the spot is found to be inappropriate for children, the brand will have to prove it never targeted media likely to be seen by this audience.

I wonder what will happen if they can't....

I hope @LaPufalina has or will make a complaint then.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 08:15

GoodJanetBadJanet · 29/06/2022 22:51

All that stupid “if you boys and girls don’t shout ‘I believe’ tinkerbell with die!!” Malarkey. I knew it was hooey when I was very small and though the other children were a bit dim if they believed in it all.
Crikey, Vernon Dursley has entered the chat 😁
You'll be bellowing "there's no such thing as magic!" next
Didn't you enjoy any fiction as a kid? As imagination and "magic" is a huge part of it!

Shocker, we all like different things.

Really not sure how you got from KittenKong explaining that she didn't enjoy participatory theatre to speculating that she didn't enjoy fiction at all. Confused

LaPufalina · 30/06/2022 08:16

Ooooooh interesting!
5yo is watching the same channel this morning before school whilst I work, a McCain advert came on so I leapt up, but it was a different one, still Baga Chipz but no knockers. She skipped it before I could get there Hmm

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 08:17

Hied · 30/06/2022 07:43

My apologies. It still shows the clip but underneath it says the tweet has been deleted.

How does that work then? Normally you can't see anything when it's deleted.

Twitter has this bug that means they still show up but with this tweet has been deleted underneath, for a short period after being deleted.

Then after that, they become fully unavailable.

LaPufalina · 30/06/2022 08:18

Going to make a complaint now, thanks for flagging @Clymene

achillestoes · 30/06/2022 08:18

If McCain want to build their brand around the preferences of >5% of society, let them. I don’t need waffles that much.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 08:19

LaPufalina · 30/06/2022 08:16

Ooooooh interesting!
5yo is watching the same channel this morning before school whilst I work, a McCain advert came on so I leapt up, but it was a different one, still Baga Chipz but no knockers. She skipped it before I could get there Hmm

If it's the chip butty one, definitely skip it. Baga says "I enjoy a good spreading, me" while putting the margarine on, and the lingering cringe meant I couldn't have a chip butty last night.

KittenKong · 30/06/2022 08:20

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 08:15

Shocker, we all like different things.

Really not sure how you got from KittenKong explaining that she didn't enjoy participatory theatre to speculating that she didn't enjoy fiction at all. Confused

A child from a publishing family - oh I loved books. I even wrote some with my sister (terrible, unpublished, typed on out little typewriter and sold to unwilling family and friends. The brontes we weren’t!)

LaPufalina · 30/06/2022 08:24

Spoke too soon, the other/original ad just came on, at least I was mid complaint so was able to give an exact time.
I shouted for my 5yo to pause the video and she jumped and skipped it, poor thing Blush

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 08:30

I always hated it as well. Couldn't articulate why then, but in retrospect, it was because it was this jolly game of "Look at me, pretending that I believe this is real and that he doesn't really know the crocodile's behind him". And the adults shouted loudest! It was competitive participation. Eurgh. I'd rather have had a carrier bag of books and a corner to myself to read them in.

It's the children's equivalent of the teambuilding away weekend, I swear.

Hied · 30/06/2022 08:43

Thanks @PurgatoryOfPotholes, thought I was going mad :)

Clymene · 30/06/2022 08:48

LaPufalina · 30/06/2022 08:18

Going to make a complaint now, thanks for flagging @Clymene

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There's another one where he talks about spreading? 🤮 FFS

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 08:59

Clymene · 30/06/2022 08:48

👍

There's another one where he talks about spreading? 🤮 FFS

Don't thank me. Seriously, don't.

twitter.com/McCainUKIE/status/1534158150424723458?t=WBnbUOO_syf0Hci1AqtKKA&s=19

Braggiography · 30/06/2022 09:08

': ”Advertisements must not cause serious or widespread offence against generally accepted moral, social or cultural standards.

”Particular care must be taken to avoid causing offence on the grounds of: age; disability; gender; gender reassignment; marriage and civil partnership; pregnancy and maternity; race; religion or belief; sex; and sexual orientation.”

Meanwhile, if the spot is found to be inappropriate for children, the brand will have to prove it never targeted media likely to be seen by this audience.

There has been a trend for brands to embrace ’dragvertising’, which many marketers see as helping to support LGBTQ+ artists and causes.'

Well, it's sexist shite, so it should be struck down on that basis alone. It's inappropriate for children because it's sexist, not because it's especially explicit, which it obviously isn't.

Braggiography · 30/06/2022 09:09

Somewhat related:

Another go woke go broke - McCains
LaPufalina · 30/06/2022 09:10

That's grim

Happygirl79 · 30/06/2022 09:11

The page no longer exists and the tweet deleted.

Birdsweepsin · 30/06/2022 09:14

Emma Webb speaking sense here

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 09:38

If they delete the one from June 7th, here's the frame. And here is some sort of social media company called BSeen Digital promoting it. This is interesting, and you'll see why.

BSeen's tweet: More spectacular spud content from our McCain team.

Our chip butty craving has officially been activated.

Who are BSeen? A social media company based in Dubai, apparently.

You see that most recent tweet? Let's look into that.

Text of tweet: When it comes to Pride, brands can often play it safe to avoid ruffling any feathers.

YAWN.

PaulieG spoke to Shotscreative about why a disruptive approach is the best option for brands looking to make quality content during Pride.

For a company so strongly opinionated about LGB and TQ+ rights, it's odd they're based in Dubai.

But anyway, interview sounds fascinating. Let's read that in the next post.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/06/2022 10:09

Extract

From Paul Greenwood, Global Head of Research and Insight at We Are Social. Note from Purgatory: We are Social also approvingly quote-tweeted a McCains tweet, with identical wording to BSeen Digital. It all seems a little incestuous.Title: Pride: why it's ok to piss people offIn her 2021 viral Pride post Meg Statler said, “Hi Gay. Happy Pride month!”, sending up corporations that jump on the big gay band wagon every June to sell us more stuff and 'do good'.It’s a perennial debate as to whether Pride activations are a good thing or simply a cynical ploy. A ploy where rainbow-washing big business slowly sanitises kink culture, making Pride protests (parades) palatable for your middle-aged, middle-of-the-road, straight-shooting heteros.

The very quick answer to the question as to whether it’s a good thing or bad thing is an easy one… it’s both. For that kid who doesn’t feel seen and understood growing up in a rural community, a brand doing as little as changing its logo could offer a little ray of light that there’s a brighter future. For the BDSM crew who want a prime float to truly demonstrate to the world that 'love is love', but who get rejected because of corporate sponsorship concerns, it's a bad thing.
Both can be true at the same time. It depends on perspective.But it does open up a much bigger debate, one that impacts how we advertise and how we represent the LGBTQ+ community at large (as well as other under-represented communities). And the question is whether we embrace under-represented communities for their difference to the heteronormative systems and values at large, or assimilate them into mainstream hegemony. And this is a question brands and agencies have been grappling with for some time when advertising.Broadly speaking, when representing minorities there are two different strategies;An inclusive approach One where the LGBTQ+ community are cast within everyday scenarios, featuring brands and products. They’re just there in the ad like straight people, enjoying the products for the emotional and/or functional benefits. To be fair, this is likely to be the most realistic representation of LGBTQ+ people (brushing teeth and shampooing hair is pretty much standard across all demographics), but this route is safe (and boring) and the least creative representation. For most consumers it wouldn’t even register. It also does the community a disservice as it does not truly reflect the lives of the community.disruptive approach One where difference, lived experience and unique perspective is used to generate insight and deliver more impactful campaigns. Think Colin Kaepernick and the Dream Crazy campaign from Nike (albeit this campaign dealt with the topic of racism). This approach is not without its risks. A different perspective could be harder to grasp because it’s not immediately relatable to mainstream audiences; there's a possibility it could alienate some people with a backlash online. This route, however, offers more creativity through taking a different perspective on a well-worn insight. Ultimately, it demonstrates that brands fully 'get' the communities they’re trying to represent and target.And the creative element is important (I would say that, I work for a creative agency). We know that almost 50% of advertising impact on sales is driven by creative, and we see that when brands generate fame through activations, it is the greatest amplifier of brand effects. In short, a disruptive approach will be more successful.When looking at ideas that have cut though in the past, we see that the likes of Starbucks’ What's Your Name?and the Gillette’s First Shave ads garnered praise and recognition whilst at the same time drawing ire from the anti-woke crowd. But brands have to be relaxed and comfortable with that reaction; as long as you’re on the right side of the debate there will always be naysayers. In the short-term you might see a drop off in sales, but this is countered by longer-term gains. Something we saw when the Colin Kaepernick work aired.And this year we’re seeing more of this disruption when it comes to Pride activations. My favourite so far is the Postmates Bottom Friendly Menu. To many people outside the gay community, it’s certainly an enlightening read, and whilst it may not be the best executed of campaigns, Postmates is just enough on the right side of cheeky to pull it off.On the other hand Burger King’s Pride Whopper campaign is a fame-driving stunt that could have had all the right ingredients for the perfect campaign but, anatomically speaking, it doesn’t add up. Full marks for trying something different.And Dr Marten’s has also entered the fray with the serious activation called Pride Generations, a long-form content series discussing issues with important members of the community on topics such as Pride as protest, inclusion, trans-erasure and facing adversity. It speaks directly to difference to deliver a hard hitting activation.So, looking back, what makes a good Pride campaign great? My advice is don’t be afraid to embrace difference as a disruptor; always handle sensitive topics with care and in collaboration with the community and, finally, it’s ok to piss people off. Just as long as you’re pissing off the right people.From: shots.net/news/view/pride-its-ok-to-piss-people-off

Another go woke go broke - McCains