Department for Education leaves Stonewall

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Breaking: DFE has left Stonewall

"we do not feel it provides value for money for the service it provides and we shared concerns across government about the charity's stance on free speech"

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"‘Free speech’ does not include racist or homophobic or transphobic abuse. Nobody is suggesting it should."

Oh yes they are.

we do not feel it provides value for money for the service it provides and we shared concerns across government about the charity's stance on free speech"

Makes those massive banners in Regent Street look not just OTT, but positively menacing.

Who would feel comfortable challenging such a public display? Was stonewall actually involved?

I'm assuming a counter display of AHF will be as acceptable?? Otherwise it's discriminatory, surely? Look forward to seeing it.

antifascist

Panto season is not yet upon us, is it?

Just because you ID as 'antifascist', doesn't mean you are. Usually people who say they are one thing, actually turn out to be the complete opposite.

We have to move away from living in clown land, and back to reality.

However much that hurts males.

Bullshit.

The EA is in every school safeguarding policy.

Racism is reported to LA as they keep records.

Fgm is instant police action.

Bullying on basis of EA characteristics are part of safeguarding for staff and for children.

‘Horrifying how many posters on here can't or won't see how this is an opportunity to smash all equality legislation by an extremely right wing government using the trans issue - like several on here- as a way of progressing their extreme right culture war.’

It has no effect on equality legislation at all. The Equality Act is the legal instrument that would (rightly) prevent a university from refusing access to a trans person. It would also govern their response if one student (for example) directed transphobic abuse at another student. Therefore, since a clear legal instrument exists, any other initiatives are either supra-legal or actually risk the university straying into illegality in their responses to legitimate articulations of dissent from the preferred views of the transgender activist community.

That's nothing to do with stonewall; I'm not clear on what they did in the DFE.

That's Law.

The government is quite capable of imposing contradictory legal duties on universities and enjoying the chaos it will cause- especially when they can rely on a group like many on here who are so obsessed with a comparatively small group that they are prepared to fight this extremely right wing government's culture wars for them- often in a bizarre coalition with Murdoch, the Koch brothers et al who want to take away women's rights to employment, equality legislation and contraception and abortion

Yeah, when you start calling rapists being given incarcerated women as part of their their sentence, or decimating female sport, 'human rights', you're pretty much guaranteed a teensy weensy bit of public pushback.

Tedious.

‘The government is quite capable of imposing contradictory legal duties on universities and enjoying the chaos it will cause-’

So a moral panic, then? Oh right.

Withdrawing from a scheme you don't have to belong to, and saying "maybe give some thought to the impacts on free speech" is scarcely what's needed to abolish the Equality Act.

Time to revert to the EQA. And uphold our sex-based rights. It's "horrifying" how readily those have been ignored in favour of Lobbyist Law.

What these proto-tyrants want to obfuscate is that this is a legitimate government with the electoral support to pass laws. They - DEI staff and academics - are not. If the government wants to strengthen free speech it is because the electorate - the people who give them legitimacy - want that. The people who currently enjoy too much power in universities think they’re fighting the government but they’re actually fighting the will of society. That’s anti-democratic, unless they can show how the legal duties the Higher Education Bill will place on them are actually in contradiction of established law. I bet they can’t.

Could you clarify what “contradictory legal duties” you believe the Government could or will or is imposing on universities?

Be specific on how they contradict each other, if you would.

(as for the rest of your post… 💩)

I'm concerned with one half of the school population. Females. They are not a small group in any way.

Pretending that aligning with Stonewall will help women's rights is quite the reach. Especially when they themselves have required organisations to obliterate any mention of the word 'women'.

so obsessed with a comparatively small group

Females are a ‘small’ group now? I am here for fighting for the needs and protections under legislation for all females. Those with a sexed body formed around the production of large gametes, whether that production has, will, or is currently happening. Just to be clear.

Hope that clarifies.

Are you in the UK?

Cos our current Gov't may be called "the right" but it's not extremely right wing. If you live here you must know that.

This government was all set to go ahead with self id and it was only due to a lot of work on GC feminists' part that they shelved the idea. Saying that we're unwitting chumps in a culture war being fought by the Tories (who are not, by the way "far right" by any measure) is patently untrue and insulting to our intelligence.

Our activism has come from nothing more than our concern for women and girls and their rights. We've been discussing these issues since at least 2015.

Are you American by any chance, antifa ?

And do you know that Murdoch in Australia owns a paper considered to be more left leaning, Labor/ trade union targeted . And that was among his first purchases and is still a major part of News Corp today.

That little fact keeps slipping everyone’s mind when they seek to present Murdoch as being far anything. The only ‘far’ anything he is, is a media mogul.

Has this been confirmed anywhere else yet?
Applying the law correctly as it stands is hardly some kind of ultra right wing conspiracy theory.
The Equality Act safeguards trans people too.

I don’t think this is an extremely right wing government. If you look at actual policies they’ve been pretty middle of the road. The left wing have moved towards a more extreme position (fine - they’re entitled to their politics) and have been treated with great tolerance. That doesn’t extend to silencing women.

I don't know about here in the UK, but a single university in the US recently was found to have an annual budget for DEI of $15 million.

‘I don't know about here in the UK, but a single university in the US recently was found to have an annual budget for DEI of $15 million.’

That is a lot of money. I’m sure some of it’s necessary (there’s nothing wrong with access initiatives or campaigns to help people understand their actual rights), but that sounds like bloated bureaucracy money to me.

Exactly this. There are women, groups, charities, MPs, etc working behind the scenes and have been for years slowly digging away.

by the way 51% of the population is not a small group.

the sooner stonewall is shut down the better. It’s done it’s job. Time to move on. It’s making a mockery of LGB people by grouping other minority groups with it.

Just because you ID as 'antifascist', doesn't mean you are. Usually people who say they are one thing, actually turn out to be the complete opposite.

Exactly - like countries with "Democratic" in their names.

"Stonewall has received almost £600,000 from the Department for Education over the past five years, it was confirmed last night."

Fucking hell. The Times seem to be pushing this quite hard!