Roe v Wade overturned

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Fucking devastating.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-61709865

Yeah that's largely my take on it too Liebig, uninformed as I am.

Not long ago we were praising Matt Walsh's documentary about gender ideology. Now look😨No friend to women....

Biden is generally just clueless and the worst recent time president.

Who can we call our friends though? This is the problem. And please don't try telling me the Democrats or the UK left - who can't even bring themselves to say our name - are our friends because I might just self combust.

I can praise Matt Walsh’s commitment to truth and logic while disagreeing with his view on abortion. He is religious. He believes abortion is a sin. I think he is wrong in his enthusiasm for imposing his morality on women and supporting the removal of their right to choose. I think he is right about gender ideology.

Biden’s a bit of a wet rag, really.

@Ravenclawdropout - just to say how much I appreciate your explanations and insight on this and on the AIBU thread.

Fucking outrageous. All of those women being forced to keep babies. It's utterly barbaric. My heart breaks for them.

What could Biden do?

What tools could help use to stop it, I’m interested if there are any

Seriously, @SunniDelite ? That's your response to this decision? To berate women here for discussing Walsh's documentary? As if it's somehow directly their fault that this decision has come about? It's been years in the making, the seeds being sown prior to Trump's election and it's got nothing to do with UK feminists.

But in legal terms this is exactly what has just happened. Yates have had the right returned to them to legislate on abortion. Roe v Wade took it out of the states’ hands by ruling that it was a constitutional right.

‘To berate women here for discussing Walsh's documentary? As if it's somehow directly their fault that this decision has come about? It's been years in the making, the seeds being sown prior to Trump's election and it's got nothing to do with UK feminists.’

Exactly. If progressives could find something they don’t want to blame women for it would be a start. Maybe tidal anomalies or something.

Not berating anyone! Just commenting! 😯

Yeah, this is all our fault isn't it? It's always our fault.

I totally disagree with Matt Walsh's position on abortion. I think he is much of a misogynist as the next bloke.

But his documentary was very good at exposing the batshittedness of gender ideology.

So what?

We are just getting shat on from all angles. From one side the anti-abortion crap, from the other the erasure of the material reality of womanhood and our dehumanisation.

Its so depressing.

Abortion already banned in 5 US states on the back of the ruling today:

• South Dakota


• Missouri


• Oklahoma


• Kentucky


• Louisiana

If you can be forced to remain pregnant and give birth, you’re not free. Louisiana, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Missouri and Kentucky just enslaved every woman able to become pregnant.

I really wanted a little girl when I was pregnant just over 2 years ago but now I'm glad I had a boy.
I wouldn't want to bring up a girl in a world that hates women so much.

Why are people getting so aggressive? I'm on your side 😖

The nine US Supreme Court justices are appointed for lifetime terms. This is supposed to keep them above the political fray (ha!) It makes them enormously powerful. They are the ultimate arbiters of whether laws and legal decisions are consistent with our Constitution or not.

The GOP has kept its eyes on this prize for the past five decades, nominating judges as conservative and as young as possible throughout the federal judiciary. The Democrats (my party, although I don't feel able to vote for most of them right now) have lost sight of the Court's importance (and the judiciary in general) apparently until today.

I have messages today from progressives close to me full of gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. The time for that was November 2016 (and believe me, I gnashed and rent then!) Trump's election (and McConnell's heinous conduct toward the Garland nomination) cemented this outcome. I am surprised anyone is surprised by it.

I can't explain it but I'd like to add a 2nd question, which is why did the Democrats never seem to try to secure the Roe vs Wade ruling on a federal basis?

Good question.

Maybe because men on the left also believe women to be less than full humans and therefore less than full citizens?

Natasha Chart wrote an interesting piece about this at 4W recently:

4w.pub/how-a-decade-of-democratic-delusions-failed-women-on-abortion/

I can't vouch for its accuracy because the time period she describes was very difficult for me with personal health crises and I wasn't paying a lot of attention to political detail then.

Obama and Corbyn couldn't say the W word in their commendations.

‘Why are people getting so aggressive?’

Because we’re done with being blamed for everything.

I haven’t signed the BPAS thing. I can’t imagine anyone gives the tiniest shit what Truss thinks about this in the US. Wouldn’t a call to the UN and WHO to publicly condemn this be better?

Yes we should be funding abortion and contraception services and training etc overseas already but that’s a separate issue and I can’t see how that is going to help any women in America. (Sorry if I’ve missed something and the funding the UK government do give is under threat?)

Also by doing the above with the UN and their position on human rights will allow us to remind everyone in the UK that the Tory government we have got here, right now, are wanting to do away with the Human Rights Act here.

They'll pretend they're doing this because ''all life is sacred'', but all of those states have the death penalty...

The Supreme Court has not banned abortion. They have returned the decision on legality to the states.

Some states have now made it illegal, and some haven’t.