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TullipR going to sue NHS over poor care pre-sex-change procedure

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ChristinaXYZ · 24/06/2022 10:54

"Stephanie Davies-Arai, founder of Transgender Trend, a group advising parents on transgender children and young adults, said: ‘It is hoped this will force a re-think by the NHS about this kind of barbaric surgery on patients who are told by medics it will help them.

‘He has a very real case for compensation against the heath service. We believe he has suffered harm.’

His case has been taken on by lawyers in Liverpool. It centres on whether the NHS and its gender clinics adequately counselled him before the operation five years ago. The patient, in his thirties, was brought up in the North of England and has de-transitioned from being a woman to live as a man again.

The man says he is gay and his sexuality should have been discussed before the radical, irreversible gender surgery. ‘I have been castrated. That is the correct term,’ he says on his Twitter feed, which has 19,000 followers.

‘I cannot believe they [the NHS] were allowed to do this to me.

‘I was not even asked if I wanted to freeze my sperm, or have kids in the future.’ He does not want to be named because he is ashamed of how he looks. Instead, he tweets under the pseudonym TullipR.

Yesterday, he posted a picture of his huge bundle of medical notes which will be used by his lawyers to bring the case against the NHS."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10947483/Anguish-young-man-sex-organs-removed-NHS-regretted-day-SUES-NHS.html

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FallOutPloy · 09/08/2022 09:43

MishyJDI · 07/08/2022 11:45

I'll say it again. Regret rates for trans surgeries are less than most common surgeries - less so then breast augmentation for instance.

Yes there will always be a few who it doesn't work out for. But he was an adult and has to take responsibility for that. And we owe him the support he needs to live with his own decisions. But suing the NHS is wrong.

Should we also campaign to stop sexist breast augmentation surgery, as that has a much higher regret level then trans surgeries?

Well, yes, surgeons are responsible for making sure that patients understand the potential implications of all surgeries. In addition, surgeons considering elective or purely cosmetic procedures are supposed to be particularly alert to mental health concerns.

This doesn't count as elective or cosmetic (because the narrative has been that people in this position literally cannot carry on as they are, and will probably kill themselves). So the usual safeguards have not been adhered to.

AlisonDonut · 09/08/2022 09:51

If they don't study what happens after transition, nobody can publish what happens after transition and therefore nobody will be able to inform the NHS about what happens after transition.

If they don't study what happens after cross-sex hormones, nobody can publish what happens after cross-sex hormones and therefore nobody will be able to inform the NHS about what happens after cross-sex hormones.

It's why Stonewall et al were so keen on 'no debate'. It's why people got kicked out of university when they put forward their proposals to study detransitioners.

It is a feature of this activism, not a bug.

People have been highlighting this for years, there isn't an excuse any more for not knowing. The NHS should never have got into this whole rotten mess in the first place.

Beowulfa · 09/08/2022 09:56

Is this the person who described in graphic detail the "twitching stump" they'd been left with?

Leaving aside the ethics of extreme surgery on patients with identity issues (which we can't describe as a mental health problem), is this a standard outcome for this operation?

Is the crux of it whether the consequences/side effects are clearly explained AND that the patient has the mental capacity to listen/believe?

ScreechingEchoChamber · 09/08/2022 10:07

A young person with 'gender incongruence' will often have spent a lot of time online researching. There they may well have found advice on how to get what they have been told they want from the NHS:

novaramedia.com/2021/12/03/how-to-navigate-britains-broken-trans-healthcare-system/

'Much of the visit will be about you guiding and reassuring your GP, so expect irrelevant and invasive questions...I’m not suggesting you tell any especially big fibs, but maybe finesse your story into one that’s likely to be received with the least amount of confusion (and bear that in mind with the psychiatrists too). Trans people have been doing this ever since they first got access to medical textbooks and started passing them around before appointments to brush up on their lines, so you’ll be joining a storied lineage of creative trans memoirists. You’re not here to make friends, you’re here to get hormones.

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'Stay away from mental health questions.

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In general, try not to get sidetracked by irrelevant discussions regarding mental health, or discussions about the authenticity and history of your gender identity; your dysphoria diagnosis means those conversations have been had already. Keep things simple: you’re trans, you’d like HRT and you have the necessary documents.'

ScreechingEchoChamber · 09/08/2022 10:09

I won't say what I think about people who encourage distressed people to 'finesse' what they tell their doctors and avoid anything that might 'sidetrack' a doctor into enquiring about their patients' mental health. But I think the responsibility for some of this poor treatment lies with a whole bevvy of implicated organisations, not just the NHS.

JellySaurus · 09/08/2022 10:29

Reminiscent of pro-ana websites.

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