Scotland - male wears female swimsuit

[respectmysex]

Saw this on Reddit and was surprised by the very sensible way it was handled by the pool, police and comments on Reddit. No hint of entitlement and just sensible safeguarding.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/vfa4og/genderbaseddclothingissuessandbreachhofthe/?utmmsource=share&utmmedium=iossapp&utmname=iossmf

I hadn't, so I googled...

I think you might be onto something there!

It's possible to assume innocent intentions all round. Naive youngster in the wrong size/cut swimwear. Child with what looks like boner at eye-level. Concerned parent and lifeguard.

The sensible thing to do at this point would be to give them the opportunity to change into something more suitable.

However, the fact the police were (apparently) called seems to suggest that there could have been more at play.

I think most people would be respectful of a transwoman/man if they were dressed in a way which showed thought and respect for more vulnerable pool users, like children. Any overly skimpy beachwear wouldn’t be appropriate at a public pool for the same reason.

It’s a shame that there isn’t specific clothing/swimwear for trans people to give them the look they feel comfortable with but is designed for and to
flatter their specific body shapes (reinforced crotch) etc.

if I tried to wear a t-shirt belonging to DH it would look shit on me. Huge on the shoulders and waist, pulled over the breasts and hips. No way his shape would work in my clothes either. I dread to think what he’d look like in my swimming suit 🫣

I am also in the tankini club, or if I can find women’s board shorts in my size they are good over a one piece.

The person in the Reddit post could have put board shorts over his one piece for common decency and to prevent people seeing what he might have preferred not to draw attention to.

Oh yes this is FWR where we only read what we want to read and twist everything else to suit our own sick narrative. If you can’t read what I wrote objectively then off you piss - I’m not interested in whatever agenda you have

It does come across as exhibitionism. Glad the staff and police took it seriously. Why should this one person's feelings trump those of the general public, in a public area, especially with children around?

I think this is a case of "accusations are admissions". I read all of the OP. Did you not?
For it is right there in the OP.

The officer says that a woman has complained that her young children could see their gentials through the suit, and that she had alleged my relative was aroused while walking around the changing area.

Then we are also told members of staff approached the Relative, and police officers were called. So staff saw the pool attendee and saw what she meant, to the extent they thought it was their duty to call the police. And the police turned up before the Relative had left the pool?!?!?!

Yeah, Relative's genitalia was showing. They would not have done all that just because the Relative looked a bit unusual.

Urg. People can wear what they want. You're a nasty person and can't see it. I'm through with mumsnet allowing this shit. This isn't a sensible debate about gender, this is hate pure and simple. I won't be on mumsnet again and will be switching off notifications. Bye.

Seems a bit OTT to call the police to me. The guy was leaving anyway. They could have sensitively explained why the swimsuit wasnt allowed and suggested he wear shorts over it next time.

I am reminded of the posters who said a man deserved to be threatened for wearing an LGB Alliance beanie hat in public. That was nasty.

And no, people cannot just "wear what they want" outside their own home. That's a gross oversimplification. Even restaurants have dress codes for customers. Ever heard "no shoes, no shirt, no service"? I have to wear safety boots and hi-vis gear in the workplace because of H&S legislation. And this individual has to wear swimwear that contains their genitalia, in public pools.

If they find that too onerous, they can install a private pool. I think buying a rash vest and some form of swimming trunks would be cheaper, but that's their choice.

People can wear what they want.

@wellyelliebee You've dramatically flounced but on the above statement in your view it would be fine and dandy for a female non binary person to express their male side in the local swimming pool by wearing only men's swimming trunks? If not, why not?

And no, people cannot just "wear what they want" outside their own home.

Quite.

Isn't the problem the male erection - as complained about by the mother? Or is this another WiSpa incident where verifiable facts are dismissed by supporters of an ideology that dismisses safeguarding as transphobic?

If this is a true account, then what a breath of fresh air to learn how the staff and police acted professionally and responsibly. This doesn't always happen, so a big THANK YOU to all those involved in resolving what must've been an upsetting situation for the other pool users.

Unfortunately things have taken a turn where people believe, or are told, they can wear, do, or say whatever they feel and others around them simply have to put up with it.

Not so.

If Relative is very attached to this outfit and thinks board shorts would spoil it, maybe an Unclockables Tuck Kit is the answer.

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Clothes aren’t sexed, people are, I thought that was the point?

In the not too distant future, if some people have their way…

This is a joke surely???

I find it plausible the entire story is fabricated just to stoke division.

I find it plausible that 'relative' was indeed an exhibitionist walking around with an inadequately-contained semi (utterly inappropriate, in case of any confusion).

I find it plausible that the 'relative' was acting out of naivete rather than bad intent, may or may not have been fully covered, and was the victim of a malicious report from that mother.

It all sounds very embarrassing all round.

I imagine that for most trans people, the near-nudity of swimming is really difficult to navigate. My local leisure centre runs a specific trans/NB session and i think that's great (just as I think specific men's and women's sessions are great).

I am however drawn to the prospect that this NB / female-identified person was clearly read as presenting male in their non-swimming clothes - which does feel rather different than eg a mostly-passing trans woman being spotted as male-bodied in a swimming costume.

There are. Just Google it.

Why wear a female swimsuit though? Why not wear some kind of coverup for the top half (I don’t go swimming so I don’t know what these would be called) and swim trunks (speedos perhaps as they’re basically like knickers for men) for the bottom half, that way the swimwear is pretty neutral and no one is going to even notice what they’re wearing (unless of course that defeats the object🤔). I have every sympathy for people with genuine identity issues but it doesn’t mean they should get a free pass to do as they please at the detriment of others. If they want to wear a female style swimsuit then maybe they should research if there are any specially aimed at the trans market (ie ‘tucking’ away your bits).

Human bodies of the male sex are different from human bodies of the female sex and certain garments take sex into account either for fit or practicality. It has been said on this thread several times already. It is not about style but fit and whether the incorrect fit renders the garment indecent.

Complete rubbish. Don't believe a word of it.Lets see some evidence this happened such as a police report since the police were called.

It is possible that the story is not about "a relative" but has been written by the original OP, for reasons.
Don't want to speculate on those reasons too much as would probably get deleted but they now have people on Reddit and people on mumsnet discussing their swimsuit options and how it might play out if children saw them in it.

@NellWilsonsWhiteHair

I find it plausible the entire story is fabricated just to stoke division.

The OP was a question asked on a legal board in Reddit. That's a really big reach, to suggest someone posted it there and that I lifted it and copied to MN, just to stoke division. Rather reminiscent of how TRAs defended the Wi Spa incident. They said it never even happened...until the police charged him.

And you say the NB person in the swimsuit was maliciously reported, whilst you also acknowledge they may or may not have been fully covered.

If you agree they may not have been fully covered, how is the report of indecency malicious?

If such a person lurks, here's a swimming top for male bodies: www.sportsdirect.com/gul-rash-vest-mens-888131#colcode=88813103

And swimming briefs, with room to accommodate a penis without tucking: www.sportsdirect.com/slazenger-mens-swimming-trunks-352168#colcode=35216803

That might approximate the costume silhouette desired.