Scotland - male wears female swimsuit

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Saw this on Reddit and was surprised by the very sensible way it was handled by the pool, police and comments on Reddit. No hint of entitlement and just sensible safeguarding.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/vfa4og/genderbaseddclothingissuessandbreachhofthe/?utmmsource=share&utmmedium=iossapp&utmname=iossmf

General reminder that there will be a rich harvest gleaned from this thread.

In common with PPs, it will be interesting to read the (presumably) forthcoming civil action and accounts of Wi Spa: Scotland.

I'm okay with men being policed for things like this. I wish this is what happened every time. Then maybe cross-dressers would come to accept that their hobby is for behind closed doors, and they shouldn't be involving random members of the public in their sexual behaviours.

If the swimming costume showed the swimmers genitals, which it sounds like it did, then of course it was appropriately dealt with - indecent exposure is a thing. I assume if a swimmer had worn Speedo's which were far too small to contain everything and didn't cover a penis fully that too would be dealt with the same way.

If the only issue was he didn't like showing his chest there are male constructed swimsuits and rash vests more appropriate. A man wearing a woman's swimsuit would look very sexualised and inappropriate. He should have kept his sexual confusion out of a public space where women and children could be offended. Far from his wish to cover his chest, it was more a sexually perverted statement imo

Man wearing Speedos Vs man wearing bikini bottoms

I think that the swimming suite is a red herring. The complaint that was investigated and the relative was barred for was that he was indecently exposing (by warring a garment that didn't adequately cover) their semi erect penis in front of children!

Yep, wholly inappropriate and I’m not convinced by the explanation

Don't women wear women's swimsuits to cover their breasts? So what is in the breast area of a man wearing one? Rolled up socks?

If he is male he has no need to cover his non-exiatent breasts which suggests he is doing it for shits and giggles.

And that's not even before we start on the erection section.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine perfectly illustrates the issue here, thank you.

Where was that second photo (with the man's testicles spilling out of the bottoms) taken? Surely, it wasn't in a public event.

Yes, instructive to reverse this. A female born non binary person wearing a Speedo would presumably not be accepted, either, for obvious reasons.

Anyway, anonymous second hand anecdotes are what they are.

Depending on how large their body was I imagine it would be quite hard to get a good fit in general. I have a tall friend who used to buy extra long swimwear before tankinis were a big thing.
Speedos are surprisingly think and have like a net inside to contain everything. Womens costumes don’t.
like someone else said. He could have worn a T-shirt or a rash vest.

But then this poor dysphoric person may not have had what was possibly their uncovered genitals spilling out of their swimsuit for all to witness.

People's genitals need to be covered at a swimming pool. That is how the pool should have handled it: "Are you aware that your penis is visible through that swimming costume? In future please ensure your genitals are adequately covered."

Then call the police if the reaction is anything other than mortified embarrassment.

I don’t believe clothes need to be gendered, but there is a question of decency here. It sounds as though a women’s swimsuit did not effectively cover the person’s genitals, and may have made his penis look as though it was sticking out (in arousal).

We need to know if this was a Magritte-style swimsuit. Something with a Schrödinger-style (non) declarative statement about being non-binary. Expressed, of course, in plain enough English, perhaps with a diagram, so that every tiny child or other pool user would instantly, and without ambivalence, have understood this celebration of non-binary personhood that was taking place in the lane of a local swimming pool attached to a sports centre in Scotland.

However, even in the context of the above, I wonder why the Reddit 'concerned relative' is so quick to dismiss the content of the woman's complaint? Have they, perhaps, considered asking the relative in question to change into the swimsuit and have a quick stand under the shower to simulate the conditions in question?

This sounds sensible - warn him to change into something more suitable or leave, and only call the police if he reacts inappropriately.

The colour of the swimsuit might be relevant here too, if anyone has ever seen “why cycle shorts should always be black”.

The whole thing is ridiculous. Why didn't he just wear shorts and a rash vest like many women wear to swim beacsue they also don't like the way their bodies look in female swimming costumes, which are pretty revealing.

Its Bs, he was getting a sexual thrill out of ot hence the election, like most men with this fetish. And he rightly got called out on exposing children to his fetishism, which is inappropriate.

So the woman said this person was walking around with a boner through a swimming costume, and when confronted he said he wasn’t.

Who would I believe? 🤔

Yes. This.

Hmmm…..not convinced by most of this. I can’t believe the police, especially but not exclusively in Scotland, would have seen a bloke in a woman’s swimsuit as anything other as an opportunity for celebrating inclusivity and tolerance (especially during ‘Pride’ month). Likewise the pool operator would have to be dim to call the police if their only concern was someone in a surprising and dissonant swimsuit.

so either a) this didn’t happen at all , it is a ploy to make women feel ‘sorry’ for the poor misunderstood person who was only trying to be true to themselves, or b) exhibitionism and inappropriate behaviour, as claimed by the mother/ witness.

‘you pays your money, and you takes your choice’.

And we only have the writer’s interpretation on how that male acted while ‘upset’….

I agree with your analysis @Allthegoodnamesarechosen

we are considering this unsubstantiated story from Reddit, even if we accept it as true it is still a second hand report from a relative who has sympathy for the subject of the story. It is interesting to consider theoretically but that is as far as it goes.

Having personally suffered worse sexual harassment and abuse in leisure centre settings with no action taken I can only assume that if the story is true, something must have genuinely concerned the leisure centre staff and police. The man in the story may have been getting sexual kicks from his actions or may have been vulnerable and confused yet still behaving inappropriately perhaps in part due to societal norms on behaviour being “queered”.

Attention seeking sexual thrill seeker in action.

Try reading before posting because you are making yourself appear really, really foolish by consistently ignoring the crux of the issue. Which is the visible genitals, possibly aroused. People can wear whatever they want as long as they are not exposing themselves indecently, to anyone but especially children. WTAF is wrong with you that you are defending that?