LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

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Fantastic news.

I would link to their Twitter announcement, but in usual state of play, Twitter has marked it ' may not be appropriate for people under 18'. A helpline planned for 13 to 25 year olds, planned by a panel of experts in child protection, education, helpline delivery, fundraising and psychology.

Yep - shut them down (much better to have helplines planned by IT workers who took their child to Thailand...)

As LGB Alliance state there is no dedicated national service of its kind for young LGB people in the UK.

I'm sure the Lottery Fund will be getting a lot of feedback right now, given the outpouring of hyperbole against LGB Alliance right now on Twitter.

So they may appreciate feedback from those who may see this as a positive move too:

""We really value your feedback. If you have a comment or complaint about the services that we provide, or if there's something important you think we should know, we'd love to hear it. Please email us at [email protected]"

This might also be interesting.

The Swedish U-Turn on Gender Transitioning for Children

This is an article about the Swedish government addressing the rapid increase, as seen many other countries, and how the referrals plummeted after measures were brought in.

genderreport.ca/the-swedish-u-turn-on-gender-transitioning/

Again, always look back to the original source of any data.

More from Sweden

lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/nyheter/2022/02/socialstyrelsen-unga-ska-bara-fa-hormonbehandling-i-undantagsfall/

Bone density

Bone Health in the Transgender Population

Rothman & Iwamoto

2nd July 2019

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6709704/

Also unknown are the long-term effects of puberty blockade, the effect of changes in body composition and the optimal type, timing, dosage, and route of administration of GAHT for bone outcomes.

And

GnRH analogues are frequently employed to provide puberty blockade in adolescents with gender incongruence or gender dysphoria. From their use in other medical conditions such as prostate cancer, their deleterious effects on the bone are well known, although these have the potential to be reversible if treatments are stopped or add back therapies can be given

And

However, Z-scores in the trans boys also showed an expected drop during GnRHa treatment. Similarly, they did not fully make up their bone loss as Z-scores at age 22 were still lower than baseline

Meaning, the authors acknowledge little is known about the lasting effects of puberty blockers. In this study, they propose some positive effect from cross sex hormones for females but ths results show that it doesn’t really make up the loss from puberty blockers.

This goes is a good explainer of the above study.

segm.org/the_effect_of_puberty_blockers_on_the_accrual_of_bone_mass

1st May 2021

Dr Michael Biggs has been calling for the release of data from the Tavistock’s experiment since 2019. A subset of the data were finally released following the judicial review into puberty suppression at the Tavistock clinic. Biggs’ reanalysis has just been published in the Journal of Paediatric Endocrinology and Metabolism. It finds that after two years on GnRHa, the Z-scores for a significant minority of the children had declined to a level that should trigger clinical concern.

Also look for the Swedish documentary The Trans Train

. Part 1 . Part 2

And

www.svtplay.se/video/33358590/uppdrag-granskning/mission-investigate-trans-children-avsnitt-1?id=jp9dBRA

After 4 years on blockers 'Leo' hasn't grown, has osteopenia, spinal fractures and is in constant pain. 12 children in Stockholm have 'healthcare-acquired injuries' from blockers.

I question why any person would post a breezy dismissive:

Although puberty blockers do provide huge benefits for the long term outcome of transitioning. The biggest regret of most trans people is that they weren't able to have puberty blockers.

About the use of puberty blockers. In fact, there is more that I could post links to, but I haven't.

Just as I would question any person who posts the below about what should and should not be a high standard of care for young people:

An lgba helpline really aren't going to tell any trans kids who who aren't sure that they really are trans, they will tell them they are gay or lesbian which can only cause harm to the trans kids..

And doubles down on it like it is something to be proud to support.

And then tries to shame anybody pointing out just how dangerous and harmful this is with:

Maybe you should get together with Helleofabore and a few others who appeared horrified that a helpline would tell anyone what they are, you need to get your stories straight to avoid another 20 pages of deciding which of you is right!

Right here are some more of the quotes from transitioned males to show just how 'inclusive' and 'loving' and wonderful the community really is outside whatever bubble some posters live in. I will post them separately in case one is deleted. That way they won't all be deleted. We know that some readers of that board hate these quotes being posted.

"There is something about being treated like shit by men that feels like affirmation itself, like a cry of delight from the deepest cavern of my breast ..."

"To be the victim of honest, undisguised sexism possesses an exhilarating vitality"

Grace Lavery

"While I never really believed the cliche about women being good for only one thing, I found that that sentiment kept creeping into my fantasies. I would imagine myself being sold into sex slavery and having strange men take advantage of me."

'It's called forced feminisation, and it's not really about sex, it is about turning the humiliation you feel into pleasure, transforming the loss of male privilege into the best fuck ever"

Julia Serano

'There are a lot of gay men out here who are gay men as a consolation prize because they couldn't be women. That was certainly true of me'

Juno Dawson

"Most murder is boring, pedestrian, even accidental stuff."

"Somewhere between a third and a half result from too much alcohol. A high proportion are domestic violence 'gone wrong'. A blow struck one time too many: an egg shell skull"

Jane Fae

(twitter 26/3/2018)
(thankfully Fae has not been all that active since posting this. And quipped:

*I had only to suggest that murder was not some sort of high end glamour crime, and the cisterhood went ballistic ...

But Fae also has supportively campaigned for legalisation of extreme porn. And iirc (I could be wrong) for the lowering of the age of 'porn' actors.

I most certainly would not call this person inclusive and loving but was wheeled out for years as trans spokesperson on BBC and other UK media.

Actually, they seemed to disappear after a particularly misogynist tweet about why they believed more men were dying of covid than women.

By the way, Starlee. You never answered after I asked for clarity about your 'Try reading your comment again and tell me you're trans supportive!' statement.

I will ask them again.

So... being trans supportive means ignoring that there are some trans people and some trans activists (many who are not trans) who are making outrageously hateful statements and not being called out for them?

Being trans supportive means ignoring that these statements are being made and then echoed by a large group while declaring that the community is wonderfully 'inclusive' and everything is based on love and happiness?

I mean, really. Do you believe that calling males out on their statements about women is not supporting trans people? Why? Because you believe that trans people should not be held accountable for what they say that is truly hateful and misogynistic? Because why?

And do you think ignoring these quotes improves things for young trans people? In any way?

And by the way, this is just a small sample of the things that prominent transitioned males have said about females. I could keep posting them, but it would fill up the thread.

This is a feminism board starlee. We collect these things because these are males who are harming females with these attitudes.

Trans communities include females who will be harmed if this behaviour does not stop. I have not seen one prominent trans person call this out but I would be delighted to see some evidence that someone did.

It is infantilising trans people to not call them out on their extremist and very harmful views on females. But crack on trying to portray the reporting of them as 'not supporting trans people'.

The denial that it is happening, is the exact same denial that transitioned males are seeking to coerce homosexual females into sex in any way.

It is exactly the same denial that Nancy Kelley did not effectively say that lesbians are prejudiced:

"Nobody should ever be pressured into dating, or pressured into dating people they aren't attracted to. But if you find that when dating, you are writing off entire groups of people, like people of colour, fat people, disabled people or trans people, then it's worth considering how societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions."

"It is fine for females to be happy to have sex with TW, that's lovely for them, I wish them well, but they are bi, not lesbian."

That is not the case. Plenty of lesbians have sex with trans women and do not consider themselves bi. Ditto for gay men.

It's not up for you to police anyone else's identity.

Yes. As a lesbian, at this point, it bloody well is for me to police other people's identities to make them get their grabby, entitled hands off mine.

If you are not a homosexual female who exclusively chooses sex with other homosexual females you are not a lesbian . You are not.

I'm not indulging this ridiculous bullshit any longer.

Lol, no it isn't. You need to get over yourself and just let people live their own lives and chose their own labels.

I've honestly lost any remaining willingness to play games.

I'm supposed to not say I'm a biological female cos....reasons, to do with upsetting TQ+ people (who could not give a fuck about my feelings, identity or reasons)

I'm not supposed to say women are female.... see above

I'm supposed to be a 'person' and not a woman... see above, despite that the default human is male and this is a battle women haven't yet won

I'm not supposed to expect privacy, dignity or single sex provision because above, and if I'm unlucky and get totally excluded from any provision then no TQ+ political activist gives a shit, because male people can be happy

and now I'm not supposed to say that lesbians are homosexual females, or that I will not, no matter what, ever be sexually attracted to a biological male regardless of identity because homosexual female.

And you want to tell me about policing other people's identities - dear God the irony!

I'm done. I've got nothing left. I've tried understanding, being reasonable, trying to negotiate and explain - I'm drained dry. I'm left with fuck the fuck off my identity, my language, my spaces, and find other solutions because I am not playing this game any longer. I have no respect to give to those who have no respect for me or anyone else, and no energy left to give them in this never ending maze of need and trampling over other people.

Lol, no it isn't. You need to get over yourself and just let people live their own lives and chose their own labels.

I'm Billy Bragg

You need to get over yourself and just let people live their own lives and chose their own labels.

You mean like you're doing? To lesbians?

The sheer childishness of the 'Lol' says just as much frankly.

You also have no idea of the meaning of that word. And with the homophobic and anti-woman views you hold? You call me whatever names you want to, you enjoy yourself. I'm honestly out of fucks to give.

Some nutter? Fuck me the projection is strong in this one.

Suspect I've done more in terms of activism for the LGBT community than you ever have.

And by trans inclusion is not homophobic. It is something the vast majority of gays and lesbians agree on! 😍😍😍

Just more denialism. You have nothing else.

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