Waitrose delivery driver

[MsMoorhead]

Kellie Jay-Keen reported by her Waitrose delivery driver!

I might be facing attempted intimidation with big words

You plonker! You weren't being intimidated by @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus, and I was joking with my last response. Should I have added the obvious emoji?

But yes, the high ground is ours, not because we are GC, but that pesky female socialisation makes a woman telling someone to fuck off that much more objectionable - so many of us don't do it. Having been a teacher for decades I now swear like a trooper - and very therapeutic it is too. When not at work obviously

@Hoppinggreen

The man wanted to be told how wrong he was and have a woman stand up to him? I am not sure that is what he wanted.

I do not think it made KJK happy and I don;t think she needs to be manufacturing incidents on her own home so she has something to say on her podcast. I think you are being quite insulting thinking that she is unable to find material any other way.

Yes, you are entitled to disagree with how a woman confronts a misogynist in her own home, and I am entitled to suggest that you are wrong to do so.

I am not trying to intimidate you - sorry if I came across like that.

To paraphrase for my convenience & entertainment, an English woman’s home is her castle & anyone who tries to verbally or ideologically park their tanks on her lawn is out of order. This is the thin edge of trespass.

When told to leave a property by the owner, the correct response is go quickly out the door.

For a customer service delivery agent when told to leave to not go immediately & without comment is unacceptable & reflects very badly on the company, company training & values.

Anybody, anywhere, any company.

Hmmm, an addition to my list of beings not to invite across my threshold:

Vampires
Bailiffs
Supermarket delivery drivers

Are you seriously arguing she is not trying to get her sacked?

Despite the drivers behaviour it was not KJK who reported the incident to Waitrose. There seems to be a pattern here of one party trying to escalate tensions and it's not KJK.

TRAs now saying KJK has been banned from Waitrose?

"Thank you @Waitrose for Protecting your Employees correctly and giving out warning and bans for those who Commit Hate Crimes and Abuse Employees."

Like I was saying , the best thing to do is not to give them what they want.
This person probably went to Ks house hoping for some sort of reaction so they could use it for their own twisted rhetoric or at least they were rubbing their hands together with glee when they saw who she was/what she stood for.
I do NOT think she should have been either kind or polite but I also think she could have handled this in a way that showed the TRAs to be the drama Queens (literally in some cases) that they are.

Seems on a par with their general reading comprehension, tbh, to over-extrapolate and editorialise in that manner.

She has shown TRAs to be drama queens. And I am not sure what KJK wants, but I love that she has given me an excuse to write to Waitrose and make it clear how despicable I feel that entitled delivery man's misogynistic attitude was. I sincerely hope he is hounded out of his job in order to keep women safe.

Well said @Hoppinggreen

No KJK escalated tensions by going public with a YouTube video about it.

The delivery driver most probably reported being verbally abused for her own protection. ( KJK confessed to verbal abuse so this is not in question). Drivers report abusive customers so that Waitrose can ensure she was never sent to that address with a delivery again.

This is what transphobia looks like. Reported.

Oh give up. "Get the fuck off my land" after being told "I'll do it my own time" [paraphrasing there] is not abusing anyone. And it's a bloody brave woman who shouts that at a man who being deliberately provocative.

You are trying yourself in knots. What happened was simple to describe.

A transwoman chose to challenge a woman about her identity politics. Woman in own home transwomen supposed to be working.

Woman tells transwomen to fuck off.

End of story.

Now, unless, as you have intimated, you find women who swear to be unconscionable, then little actually happened until, having chosen to provoke the transwomen then reported the upshot of said provocation, presumably underplaying their own actions - something you have already noted KJK doesn't do.

Sexist, at best.

Links to these surveys please.

KJ notably didn't say what exactly she said beyond using "colourful" language and telling the driver to get off her property. That's not "admitting to verbal abuse". You really do twist and turn to force things to fit your prejudices @Discovereads

Notably, Waitrose wrote to KJ having only had the interpretation provided by their driver. I wouldn't even interpret their letter as a warning, more as an explanation of their policies.

Go read the many posts on them for yourself.

With arms that long you should be able to find them!

And as I said, their existence seems to be entirely unknown by trans allies, even though both Pink News and Stonewall Twitter feeds tried to repudiate them at the time.

This is what transphobia looks like. Reported

Long arms because this is a real reach!

Links to these surveys please

while links are being requested have you got the link to where KJK says she wants the delivery driver sacked…ive obviously missed it

Oh, give over . If your instructions to delete this post are taken seriously by MNHQ I'll deregister immediately. It'll be the very height of farce.

No, the "vast majority" do not believe that a transwoman should use the women's toilets. In very survey that you linked to, 41% of people stated that an intact male TW should not use the women's toilets, compared with 31% who say that they can.

There are zero posts in this thread with links to these “entirely unknown by trans allies” surveys. Are you quite sure they say what you think they say? Because it seems to me that a frantic Google search has come up empty handed as you’re being a bit dodgy about it.

Like the bit where KJK calls for a sacking? 😁

No dear. I'm talking about stuff I remember and commented on numerous threads here about. I'd give it a go finding links but I am on my phone and the new Search function is crap.

Your problem is that the things I referred to actually exist whereas your claim...

You're well out with your first point there, only 33% of men believe that TWAW. Remember that "be kind" is part of female socialisation, not male.

Your final point is true though, we know full well that even uber-TRA Owen Jones drops "TMAM" when it comes to his love life.

The survey reported that 46% of Britons support transwomen using the womens toilets compared to 30% who oppose. That’s a clear majority.

The result you are quoting is regarding a subset of transwomen who have not yet had gender reassignment surgery.

Lucky she doesn't live in Scotland.

That subset is 90+% of them.

But that is one of the clarifications that changes the responses. Suddenly people know a transwoman is highly likely to have intact male genitalia and they then say no! Quite sensibly.