Ovarian cancer definition

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• Ovarian cancer affects the 2 small organs (ovaries) that store the eggs needed to make babies.
• Anyone with ovaries can get ovarian cancer, but it mostly affects those over 50.
• Sometimes ovarian cancer runs in families.
• The symptoms of ovarian cancer, such as bloating, are not always obvious.
• Ovarian cancer is often diagnosed late, but early diagnosis can mean it is more treatable.

On the nhs website. They've removed the word women

So what should the public health messages say if 48% don't know what a cervix is?
How would saying "women need cervical smears" change that fact over saying "anyone with a cervix"
If 48% of people don't know what a cervix is.. I can't see how using all or women makes a fig of difference

We do have a word. The colonisers can fuck off. Female people who think they are men need to be targeted individually as a special interest group.

"Trans men who don't have English as a first language" are a minuscule group of people in the UK who don't justify obscuring language for everyone else.

So what should the public health messages say if 48% don't know what a cervix is?

That women and other people with a cervix (to be inclusive) in the given age group are likely to need a smear. Or use "female"

As a woman who has had ovarian cancer in my early 30's - and had full oopharectomy and hysterectomy but still is at risk of recurrent ovarian cancer - i find this extremely upsetting.

And yet the nhs page for prostate cancer still uses male and men... I wonder why?

double standards and sexism

If you have a cervix you can have a smear... If you don't you can't.

Even those women who do know what a cervix is only know that they have one because at some point they were told "women and girls have a cervix".

Statements like "if you have a cervix" rely on someone else to do do the dirty work.

And we might not like it but "woman" now to many people does not exclusively mean a biologically female adult.

In which case, that's where the education resources should be targeted - to those people. We're clearly in a hole, we need to dig our way out of it, not dig deeper.

They "might not like it", but it's better for everyone, including them, in the long run.

It is interesting, as I felt it was pretty obvious and very clear... Anyone with ovaries can get ovarian cancer...

I'm generalising from this but it holds according to the disappointing results of this survey. I recall previous discussions on FWR about the explanation of a penis in a transgirl as a large clitoris where MNetters have confessed that they had no idea that the vagina and urethra were separate despite having given birth.

Effective Communication About Pregnancy, Birth, Lactation, Breastfeeding and Newborn Care: The Importance of Sexed Language

Gribble KD, Bewley S, Bartick MC, Mathisen R, Walker S, Gamble J, Bergman NJ, Gupta A, Hocking JJ, Dahlen HG. Effective Communication About Pregnancy, Birth, Lactation, Breastfeeding and Newborn Care: The Importance of Sexed Language. Front Glob Womens Health. 2022 Feb 7;3:818856. doi: 10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856. PMID: 35224545; PMCID: PMC8864964.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8864964/

inews.co.uk/opinion/british-women-are-still-clueless-about-their-bodies-because-reproductive-education-is-not-cutting-through-1625824.

Can't find the thread I wanted but: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3647376-Queer-theory-for-kids

In which case, that's where the education resources should be targeted - to those people. We're clearly in a hole, we need to dig our way out of it, not dig deeper.

They "might not like it", but it's better for everyone, including them, in the long run.

Exactly.

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I am an ovary free person, due to them being removed due to …. Da da daaa Ovarian Cancer

Fear I am confusing the definitions of woman 🙈

Let's go back to basics. "Female cancers", "male cancers", "men" and "women" are clear, simple words that have been used successfully by the medical profession for ever. They are the most useful words for those who do not speak English as a first language, and those with learning difficulties.

If there is evidence that people are missing screening because they don't understand the language used, then that of course needs to be investigated. So where is this evidence? If it's trans men declining cervical screening invites because they genuinely think they are now actually men, then the issue is what they're being told either by health professionals or by online bullshit. That's the problem that needs to be fixed.

I refer you to the instance of the prominent trans man who gave birth and then expressed surprise that breastfeeding is not possible after a double mastectomy. Vulnerable people are being lied to about what being trans actually means in terms of healthcare- this is outrageous.

My cat has ovaries, can I take her in?
On the other hand I have one of Jess's embroidered ones on a handbag? Does that count?

What about one in a jar in formaldehyde? They haven't said.
I am so confused.

I disagree..if you do not have English as your first language and your a transman and you saw a poster say in the GP surgery saying "women must have cervical screening", I think there is just as much chance you'd think you didn't need this as your a "man" in your mind.
And we might not like it but "woman" now to many people does not exclusively mean a biologically female adult.
Hence the need to try to make medical advice clear as to who needs what.

No transman is unaware that they have a woman's body ,no matter how poor their English is, They may not like this fact but they know that anything to do with a woman in health literature also refers to them. Males who identify as women don't appear to have the same difficulty as most male health literature only refers to men.

The wording is true... Anyone with overaries can get ovarian cancer.

Ovaries are internal though - unless you've had children (maybe periods? I'm an educated woman, but I have no idea if you can have periods without ovaries), how would you know if you have them or not?

I mean, even a cervix can be felt manually if you're determined enough, but ovaries are only known about by deduction.

They need to say women. They need to be clear - all women's health issues, but especially when you can't actually know if you have a particular organ because it's internal.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/testicular-cancer/

Men seems to need clear direction so they get it.

The government need to issue a clear directive to the NHS to stop the rot. Gender identity ideology out of public services.

It's disgusting. And we are forced to pay for this system via our taxes despite no option around how we'd like women to be represented on their information sites. This includes the simple fact that the new language is actually far more confusing to everyone.

The absurdity is that all trans men, as much as they think of themselves and live as men, know they were born female, so would (or should) be alert to any medical information related to women.
perhaps what is needed is for medical records to identify people as male, female or transgender so GPs can send relevant advice to the correct people - ie information about women’s health would be sent to women and trans men. There is no reason for a transman to receive information related to men’s health — but if their GP records only identify them as men, that is what would happen. Or perhaps when people registers with a GP, they should be asked to identify which medical information they wish to receive — ie transwomen could elect to receive information about male health or about both male and female health since I assume some women’s health information, ie about HRT, might be relevant to them.)

Times radio will be talking about the NHS using gender neutral language this afternoon (Mariella Frostrup show). There is plenty of time to tweet, text or email your thoughts.

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If they were genuinely concerned about the well being of transmen they would be seeking other solutions: Find a good copywriter who can compose acceptable, grammatically correct (not 'women and...') phrasing. Produce specific material for transmen. Seek out transmen who would be willing to front a promotional campaign. All off the top of my head and it's not even my job to think about it.

I happened to be looking up NHS advice re ovarian cysts which states the ovaries are part of the female reproductive system.

I suppose referring to female anatomy is something

Anyway I then searched for "Women's Health" on the NHS site.

A woefully inadequate list imo. But then my Hospital used to have a Women's health directorate and that has now gone completely having been subsumed into a wider department for families and other things (sorry, I noted this some time ago and need to go into the hospital website to check what is covered by the new directorate, point is dedicated Women's health dept has gone).

This. The knowledge is lost. It is taking women (and men) back to medieval times in their lack of understanding of their own bodies and how they work.
Just as owing to the ideology of gender identity being promoted in schools, many children probably now think it is perfectly possible to change sex...even though it isn't.

That's a very good point

But the removal of women is not because of transmen, its because it points out that TW are not actually women.

Ovarian cancer affects women and transmen. Yes transmen are women but adding them doesn't erase women, and solves the issue of spreading the message clearly.

The issue is that we tell trans women that they can become female. Or rather, some people working in trans issues have told them this. The literature says "male to female transition" and that's not true. No one can change sex. That lie is doing harm to people who are vulnerable, and being exploited by those who have nefarious reasons for wanting to be seen as women.