Ovarian cancer definition

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• Ovarian cancer affects the 2 small organs (ovaries) that store the eggs needed to make babies.
• Anyone with ovaries can get ovarian cancer, but it mostly affects those over 50.
• Sometimes ovarian cancer runs in families.
• The symptoms of ovarian cancer, such as bloating, are not always obvious.
• Ovarian cancer is often diagnosed late, but early diagnosis can mean it is more treatable.

On the nhs website. They've removed the word women

Given how many articles there are about how difficult it is for female trans and non binary people to buy sanitary protection, I don't believe many don't know their biology.

And I don't believe it when health care professions claim that this language is clearer than using 'woman'. Or the NHS are really doing this because they think more people will not seek medical treatment as a result of using the word women rather than 'those with a cervix/ovaries'.

I know it's to separate women and female from biology, because almost every single politician and HCP that's been asked their opinion about it have spoken about how difficult it is to live as a male transperson.

A labour MP said on sky news this morning that 'the vast number of people receiving ovarian screening will be biological women'. What is that but an attempt to separate the word women from our biology.

A labour MP said on sky news this morning that 'the vast number of people receiving ovarian screening will be biological women'.

Seriously?

And these people expect us to elect them to run the country?

How will this result in deaths? I'm having a bit of trouble with this one. I don't agree with this, and I know humans can't change sex.

But struggling to see how this will cause harm... I know I'm missing something obvious, can you tell me what it is?

Are younger people really going to fail to know they have ovaries if they were born "assigned" 🙃female at birth, with a vagina, are we talking about future generations actually losing the knowledge that what follows from that is that they also have ovaries?

Yes of course they do. What's the alternative? We have to elect someone to run the country and we have two parties to choose from and they are both doing the same thing in different ways.

There's literally no alternative than to elect these people to run the country.

These people are the "ruling class" (really it's what they are) who have vested interests in pharmaceuticals and profit greatly from a population who are medicalised needing drugs to sustain life. They're doing this on purpose and we have no way out, not as a society, only personally.

The second page has the word ‘women’ on it.

If you know you were “assigned” female at birth why do we have to be so coy and indirect about who is still in that same group?

it’s important to find the right balance amongst all minority groups, vulnerable people and people with special needs so that everyone can easily access the services and provisions that the need and feel able to use the correct language (ie not be laughed at, cause offence or be misunderstood). This applies verbally and in reading and writing - and not just in health awareness but in legally binding documents such as consent forms. The uk has other vulnerable groups:

English as a second language - for 10% of the population English is their second language. 1.3% of the population can speak English but not well and 0.3% cannot speak English at all. (2011 census). So 6.6m people affected.

Young people - 19% of the population are under 16. (As 2018 - ONS website)

Elderly people - people over 65 =12m people/ people over 75 = 5.4m people (Age UK website)

Autism affects 0.9% of the population. so 5.5m people (Autism society website)

Illiteracy- 16.4% of people in England are described as having ‘very poor literacy skills’ (Literary trust website)
so 7.1m people in England alone.

Learning disabilities- 1.5m people have a learning disability (350,000 are classed as severe) (NHS website)

Religious/cultural groups (can’t see the numbers - but I mean different areas of the country having their own dialects, groups having their own rules on education and opportunity, distrust of public bodies etc)

if health and social care information can’t be quickly and easily understood what’s the point of it?

I wonder if the NHS carried out an adequate assessment of the impact of changing language on various groups?

But the screenshot shows that it is used erroneously there! It lists women, trans men etc., without making a distinction between women and trans women. The latter cannot get ovarian cancer, but now the NHS seems to suggest they can.

This is the real problem when these lists mix together incompatible terms, some based on biology (which is how they really use 'women' here), others based on pure identity.

I don’t see why that matters when they follow up with ‘people with ovaries’ though?

If this is about providing good information, it does matter. And it's also not good information to use the term 'people with ovaries' as others have pointed out here that it's sometiems possible to have ovarian cancer even after the ovaries have been removed.

That’s not what the NHS guidance says, it says exactly the opposite:

You cannot get ovarian cancer if you've had surgery to remove your ovaries.

And that is factually incorrect. I had my ovaries removed for cancer prevention ( high family risk) and my surgeon who was the leading person in the uk for that surgery at that time explained that there is a very small risk of developing ovarian cancer even after the procedure - I can’t remember the details and it is small risk but it is there. So that statement is wrong.

Upthread, @Theredjellybean explains it as the following:

My understanding, and I am only a GP, is it primary peritoneal cancer that you get, if you've had ovaries removed.
This is a malignancy in the cells in the peritoneum that are original cells that ovarian tissue developed from.
It is sometimes referred to in literature as possible to get ovarian cancer after oophrectomy but in fact it is primary peritoneal cancer.

I wonder if the chance of having primary peritoneal cancer increases after having ovarian cancer and doctors warn women so they don't ignore possible symptoms?

Isn't the point that for years women who don't have any chance of x haven't complained that they are included in the literature? So why wouldn't women who identify as men or non binary not have the same level of maturity?

All I know is that my oncologists, in our 3 monthly visits, is checking to see that I don't have recurrent ovarian cancer. Peritoneal cancer has never been mentioned. Every 3 months, for 9 years I have scans and blood tests, because oc is so aggressive, recurs easily and the statistics for surviving ovarian cancer are terrifyingly low.

This includes women FFS ONLY women get ovarian cancer, this bullshit has to stop.

Transmen, non binary and transwomen need to grow the fuck up and learn to live with the fact that there is no such thing as a sex change and you WILL need healthcare for those health issues specific to the sex you are, the one you were born and can't change no matter what gender identity you label yourself with.

Healthcare for women is already in the toilet this sort of rubbish will just serve to push it into the sewer.