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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LGB Alliance monkeypox tweets deleted

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pezdis · 30/05/2022 21:44

The LGB Alliance tweets from yesterday about gay men and monkeypox have been deleted by twitter for either homophobia or misinformation.

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BootsAndRoots · 31/05/2022 19:39

Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 19:30

The LGB alliance say its okay if you don't want lesbians to have the right to marry and have just called for lesbian venues to be shut!!

Now who are you calling lesbophobic?

Where did the LGB Alliance call for lesbian venues to be shut?

They only called for gay men's venues to be shut for one month!

You are being misleading by making false accusation that they want to close down on gay venues permanently.

I assume you supported the Covid lockdown, so why are you against this lockdown?

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 31/05/2022 19:39

The thread has been completely derailed and destroyed due to someone’s dislike of an organisation without a care for the people who might actually be damaged by this disease

ResisterRex · 31/05/2022 19:40

Quite a detailed article on whether or not the outbreak can be contained:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/do-not-know-monkeypox-can-contained-warns/

"Dr Hans Kluge, head of the WHO’s Europe office, said that although the monkeypox response should not mimic the scale of Covid-style restrictions, health authorities do need to take “significant and urgent” action to mitigate the threat.

“But – and this is important – we do not yet know if we will be able to contain its spread completely,” Dr Kluge warned. The WHO has so far maintained that the world has “an opportunity to stop this outbreak”.

The WHO official added that Europe is currently at the “epicentre of the largest and most geographically widespread monkeypox outbreak ever reported” outside west and central Africa, where the disease is endemic. He suggested the sudden explosion of casess_ suggests transmission was “underway as early as mid-April”.
According to a team at global.healthh_ tracking monkeypox’s spread, 70 per cent of roughly 700 confirmed or suspected cases reported worldwide have been found in Europe, where the transmission has been linked to recent raves, parties and adult saunas. The UKHSA announced 11 more infections in England on Tuesday, taking the UK’s tally to 190.

“The potential for further transmission in Europe and elsewhere over the summer is high,” Dr Kluge warned. “Over the coming months, many of the dozens of festivals and large parties planned provide further contexts where amplification may occur.”
He suggested that as well as isolating cases and monitoring their contacts, health authorities should actively support the organisers of mass gatheringss_ to communicate the risks of the disease – and how to minimise spread. This includes reducing sexual activity.

“We will interrupt transmission if we act now… [to] increase awareness and share information on how people can reduce their risk of exposure, including by reducing the number of sexual partners they have,” Dr Kluge said.
So far, the majority of cases have been idenfitied among men who have sex with men, but Dr Kluge stressed that anyone can be infected. “Young people regardless of gender and sexual orientation or activity” should be aware of how to reduce the risks of catching and spreading monkeypox, he said."

In the UK, the article states:

UK guidance suggests that cases should also abstain from sex while symptomatic and use a condom for eight weeks post-infection as a precaution. The WHO added that it is not yet clear if the virus can also “spread from one person to another through semen or vaginal fluids, nor whether the virus could persist in these bodily fluids for longer periods of time”.

A senior British health official told the Telegraph that pregnant women, children and the immunocompromised at most at risk and should be prioritised for the vaccine if exposed to a monkeypox case, and the next highest priority is promiscuous gay men.
"Those idividuals who are at the greatest risk are those who have more sexual partners, for obvious reasons, and so they also get into that priority group,” they said.

“But that has as an added advantage that even if they didn't get exposed on this occasion, they might be at risk of getting exposed again, because they've got multiple partners.”

They added that monkeypox is not a big threat to public health and widespread community transmission of the virus is “not likely”. Widespread vaccination is also unnecessary, they added, as this “is not a Covid-like situation where the whole country needs to vaccinate.”"

ResisterRex · 31/05/2022 19:41

Malcolm Clark is quoted in that article:

"Malcolm Clark, head of research at the LGB Alliance, told the Telegraph: “We were really lucky this time that it wasn't another Aids, but what would have happened if it was? We would have been complaining about stigmatisation and still taking our time. It appears that 30 years after HIV, we haven't learnt anything.

“It's pure luck that this is a disease nobody dies from, but it could have easily been something else, it could have easily been worse. We should thank our lucky stars.”

He added that a four-week closure could allow transmission to be stymied enough to allow for Pride, the biggest event in the gay calendar, to go ahead in the summer.

“If action is not taken now, you could still save Pride. All it takes is an outbreak at Mighty Hoopla this weekend, and music festivals in general will have to close and Pride may have to close,” he said.

“Decisive fast action in public health [is key]... we learned that from Covid. We learned that from Aids. The faster you act, the better.

“It just beggars belief that somehow the right to go to a sauna and have sex with loads of people is somehow more precious than public health.”"

Helleofabore · 31/05/2022 19:50

Goodness. Is earache on rinse and repeat. It seems that they are going around in circles. With nothing new.

Just the same old, same old. And again with the misinformation about people voting against a bill for same sex marriage.

Anactor · 31/05/2022 19:54

“why would the same objection still be valid in 2019?

Do some religions/ denominations feel a sense of ownership over civil marriage too?”

They do have ownership over marriage - a religious marriage is also a legal act, with various legal requirements. Religious organisations are entirely justified In weighing in on the legal meaning of and requirements for ‘marriage’. They have considerable experience of what the state already demands they do and how that can affect who they can marry.

Yes, marriage can also be carried out by a civil officer like a registrar, but any carelessly worded Act of Parliament could result in a situation where a minister of religion has the same legal obligations as a civil registrar. Or a situation where a minister can’t marry someone. Or a situation where they get sued in a civil court. Or …

Anactor · 31/05/2022 20:06

Just adding that it’s kind of ironic, really, that someone can be so focused on disliking one organisation that they will not just dismiss the right of people who might be damaged by a disease to be informed, but will also call the rights of another minority ‘nonsense’.

Now, what does dismissing the right of people to be informed of possible harms and regarding other people’s rights as nonsense remind me of? Let me see, let me see…

Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 20:15

BootsAndRoots · 31/05/2022 19:39

Where did the LGB Alliance call for lesbian venues to be shut?

They only called for gay men's venues to be shut for one month!

You are being misleading by making false accusation that they want to close down on gay venues permanently.

I assume you supported the Covid lockdown, so why are you against this lockdown?

There are a number of leather bars that host nights for queer women. Leather is not something unique to men you know.

Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 20:20

ResisterRex · 31/05/2022 19:41

Malcolm Clark is quoted in that article:

"Malcolm Clark, head of research at the LGB Alliance, told the Telegraph: “We were really lucky this time that it wasn't another Aids, but what would have happened if it was? We would have been complaining about stigmatisation and still taking our time. It appears that 30 years after HIV, we haven't learnt anything.

“It's pure luck that this is a disease nobody dies from, but it could have easily been something else, it could have easily been worse. We should thank our lucky stars.”

He added that a four-week closure could allow transmission to be stymied enough to allow for Pride, the biggest event in the gay calendar, to go ahead in the summer.

“If action is not taken now, you could still save Pride. All it takes is an outbreak at Mighty Hoopla this weekend, and music festivals in general will have to close and Pride may have to close,” he said.

“Decisive fast action in public health [is key]... we learned that from Covid. We learned that from Aids. The faster you act, the better.

“It just beggars belief that somehow the right to go to a sauna and have sex with loads of people is somehow more precious than public health.”"

This is the same Malcolm Clark who today provided incorrect information to the Scottish Parliament?

twitter.com/thekieranaldred/status/1531607839474651137

www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/percentage-lgbtq-adults-us-doubled-decade-gallup-finds-rcna16556

It's almost as if he has no idea what he's talking about....

ResisterRex · 31/05/2022 20:33

It's the same Malcolm who correctly identified that if sex doesn't exist, neither do gay men:

mobile.twitter.com/ITVBorderRB/status/1531602951642439682

And I'm certain he would be utterly devastated to hear he doesn't meet with your approval.

LangClegsInSpace · 31/05/2022 21:04

“It just beggars belief that somehow the right to go to a sauna and have sex with loads of people is somehow more precious than public health.”

Well said.

And I'm glad Dr Hans Cluge is giving more forthright advice as well.

LGBA have advocated for the closure of ALL commercial sex venues for one month.

By the way, when you say 'queer women' nobody is sure what sex or sexual orientation you are talking about.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/05/2022 21:09

By the way, when you say 'queer women' nobody is sure what sex or sexual orientation you are talking about.

Indeed. We all know it could be straight males.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/05/2022 21:11

Surely more appropriate for the kids on tik tok or whatever.

You would think.

ScholesPanda · 31/05/2022 21:35

@Anactor Thank you for the reply. I think I understand what you're saying, in that for a church marriage to be valid I guess it has to meet certain legal requirements, so churches, mosques etc. have a big stake in this.
I understand that there are no doubt people who would like to see the legislation repealed altogether and gay and lesbians barred from marrying, although in my own church views have moved in the opposite direction since 2013.
But there seems to be a suggestion that some want gays and lesbians to be able to marry but don't like the legislation as drafted, so would amend the legislation rather than repeal it? And I'm wondering in which way they would like to see that happen?
Again, apologies this has nothing to do with monkeypox, it's just intrigued me because it's not a point of view I've heard before.

Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 21:42

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/05/2022 21:09

By the way, when you say 'queer women' nobody is sure what sex or sexual orientation you are talking about.

Indeed. We all know it could be straight males.

If you don't understand the meaning of the word 'queer', I'm not sure why you're weighing in on a thread about the LGBT community.

It's a bit like telling someone what's it like to live in France and then admitting you are unsure what the meaning of the word 'baguette' is.

Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 21:43

ResisterRex · 31/05/2022 20:33

It's the same Malcolm who correctly identified that if sex doesn't exist, neither do gay men:

mobile.twitter.com/ITVBorderRB/status/1531602951642439682

And I'm certain he would be utterly devastated to hear he doesn't meet with your approval.

I don't think I care for the approval of someone who peddles misinformation. I think that is a very irresponsible thing to do.

I notice you're not defending his dodgy statistics?

chilling19 · 31/05/2022 21:44

After the absolute shit show that was the AIDS epidemic which was resolutely ignored/covered up/blamed on gay men and led to so many (often very lonely) deaths, I am glad that LGBA have sounded the alarm (in contrast to tumbleweed from Stonewall).

ResisterRex · 31/05/2022 21:49

Since the Scottish government is presiding over the clusterfuck that other nations call the census, we won't have accurate data, will we?

Further, it's unclear what poll - not a census - from abroad brings to this either.

Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 22:01

ResisterRex · 31/05/2022 21:49

Since the Scottish government is presiding over the clusterfuck that other nations call the census, we won't have accurate data, will we?

Further, it's unclear what poll - not a census - from abroad brings to this either.

"The overall proportion of the UK population that identify as heterosexual, or straight, decreased from 95.3% in 2014 to 94.6% in 2018."

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/06/number-people-identify-lesbian-gay-bisexual-uk-high

It is the same for Britain (not that Mr Clark knows this, he is quite obviously ignorant of LGBT matters).

Helleofabore · 31/05/2022 22:12

Again, how is the L, the G and the B defined in this data collection ?

And even if it says ‘same sex’ if these figures include those who identify as the opposite sex, they will still be included.

It is false to compare the figures from 2014 to 2018 as some kind of ‘gotcha’.

Not sure how many times it needs to be said. But I will keep repeating it everytime it is produced as the numbers are not giving a like for like comparison to be used in this way.

MaudeYoung · 31/05/2022 22:18

Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 18:47

It's more funny how an 'LGB alliance' doesn't attract many LGB supporters. That is why they said under oath that only 7% of their subscribers are lesbian.

twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1521512107774205954

They are reviled by most of the LGBT community because they only exist to undermine our rights.

If you scroll up just one tweet in that thread, Kate Barker's response says that of those who answered that question it was calculated that about 7% responded as lesbian. There is no evidence for those who did not answer the question.

"IO: were all details filled in?
KB: some did and some didn't complete Q"

So, you cannot say that supporters of LGB Alliance only amounts to 7% as lesbians because the number of respondents who failed to answer the question is not known. The same applies to gay men.

Datun · 31/05/2022 22:21

Hearach15

Any chance you could answer the question I've been asking? What reason do you think the LGBA are suggesting a temporary closure of the venues where this disease is transmitted?

And, if you disagree with their suggestion, what would be your suggestion to contain the transmission?

Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 22:27

Datun · 31/05/2022 22:21

Hearach15

Any chance you could answer the question I've been asking? What reason do you think the LGBA are suggesting a temporary closure of the venues where this disease is transmitted?

And, if you disagree with their suggestion, what would be your suggestion to contain the transmission?

A desperate attempt to stay relevant and curry favour with people who do not like LGBT people and so give them press coverage.

Datun · 31/05/2022 22:28

MaudeYoung · 31/05/2022 22:18

If you scroll up just one tweet in that thread, Kate Barker's response says that of those who answered that question it was calculated that about 7% responded as lesbian. There is no evidence for those who did not answer the question.

"IO: were all details filled in?
KB: some did and some didn't complete Q"

So, you cannot say that supporters of LGB Alliance only amounts to 7% as lesbians because the number of respondents who failed to answer the question is not known. The same applies to gay men.

Quite.

From what I remember, I believe the questioning was designed to ascertain the nature of the people who supported LGBA. At one point there was a whole load of questioning that seemed to want to conclude that it wasn't mostly women who were trying to uphold women's rights.

And since LGBA don't routinely take that information it was not a question that could be answered accurately.

The same with meetings hosted by WPUK, and FPFW from what I can remember.

The lawyers were trying to show that women's rights were being fought for by just as many men as women, in order to assert that none of it was sexist.

Almost like the patriarchy doesn't exist in fact 🤣

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2022 22:29

It really is pretty sick to divert attention from people who suggest ways of moving forward to try and prevent deaths by quibbling that some other data may or may not be clear.

If you want to query his data, he is on twitter so it might be better to go address it directly.