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Trans activists hound Nadhim Zahawi off university campus

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ChristinaXYZ · 30/05/2022 20:07

"Trans activists have hounded Nadhim Zahawi off a Russell Group campus, accusing him of “inciting hatred” by defining women as “adult human females”, The Telegraph can reveal.

The Education Secretary was met with dozens of student protesters chanting “Zahawi is a transphobe” and “Tory scum” while visiting the University of Warwick on Friday.

The Cabinet minister had to be ushered away from campus by security guards in dramatic scenes, as he was pursued by activists brandishing trans flags and placards."

Read more and see video on Telegraph's website

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/30/watch-trans-activists-hound-nadhim-zahawi-university-campus/

and on twitter

twitter.com/ewansomerville/status/1531339153958440961

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RoyalCorgi · 30/05/2022 21:09

Theluggage15 · 30/05/2022 20:56

I just read that and thought excellent job! Are they really that thick they think that sort of behaviour towards a government minister is going to help their cause? Unbelievable

I think we know the answer to that. Grin

Tomnooktoldmeto · 30/05/2022 21:17

Their behaviour is already winning for us, I’ve been battling with DD 19 for a while she’s autistic and every single friend and I do mean every are either non binary or trans so it’s been hard to show her that they’ve been hijacked by an idiology

But then a couple of weeks ago one let slip that they were one of the masked TRA’s who surrounded the statue. DD. Already had a fairly low opinion of this particular male and his behaviour which she labelled almost incel like and finally the wall came down

apparently although she feels very loyal to the autistic girl friends she is starting to see the true picture, she even knew about the cotton ceiling and autogynophelia, I have never felt so relieved and glad I kept talking to her

zanahoria · 30/05/2022 21:21

Was he hounded out?

It says he came for two hours did two meetings then left.

Activists made noise and pursued him but that is not the same as hounding him out.

Do not give these people any hype.

There were about 30 of them.

There are 27,278 students at Warwick.

So about one in a thousand.

Hoardasurass · 30/05/2022 21:24

This was not a protest by any definition.

This is no longer a rights movement in any way shape or form nor do these people do any good for trans people they actively harming the cause fir trans rights.

This is now a terrorist organisation under UK law and should be treated as such by the police and courts.

Trans activists hound Nadhim Zahawi off university campus
LoopyOldLady · 30/05/2022 21:31

zanahoria · 30/05/2022 21:21

Was he hounded out?

It says he came for two hours did two meetings then left.

Activists made noise and pursued him but that is not the same as hounding him out.

Do not give these people any hype.

There were about 30 of them.

There are 27,278 students at Warwick.

So about one in a thousand.

I cant imagine any Tory minister would not draw at least some protests speaking at a university right now, 30 seems a pretty small demonstration for the education secretary given the state of university teaching during the last few years of covid, I agree with zanahoria, dont give them the hype

exwhyzed · 30/05/2022 21:31

Grin MagnoilaTaint I initially read that as a parody press release and then I read the top bit again and realised it WAS REAL.

How fucking embarrassing for them.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/05/2022 21:33

Tomnooktoldmeto · 30/05/2022 21:17

Their behaviour is already winning for us, I’ve been battling with DD 19 for a while she’s autistic and every single friend and I do mean every are either non binary or trans so it’s been hard to show her that they’ve been hijacked by an idiology

But then a couple of weeks ago one let slip that they were one of the masked TRA’s who surrounded the statue. DD. Already had a fairly low opinion of this particular male and his behaviour which she labelled almost incel like and finally the wall came down

apparently although she feels very loyal to the autistic girl friends she is starting to see the true picture, she even knew about the cotton ceiling and autogynophelia, I have never felt so relieved and glad I kept talking to her

So glad to hear this. What a relief for you.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 30/05/2022 21:34

Hoardasurass · 30/05/2022 21:24

This was not a protest by any definition.

This is no longer a rights movement in any way shape or form nor do these people do any good for trans people they actively harming the cause fir trans rights.

This is now a terrorist organisation under UK law and should be treated as such by the police and courts.

I was actually idly wondering that myself. I wonder if a cabinet minister has the clout to get them labelled as such.

tobee · 30/05/2022 21:35

Forest Gump lol!

MagnoliaTaint · 30/05/2022 21:36

Well, one of the acitvists landed a punch, according to one of the reports. That's not acceptable.

KittenKong · 30/05/2022 21:42

Hmmm that’s assault

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 30/05/2022 21:51

Good. The more politicians come across this violent batshittery the better.

TheBiologyStupid · 30/05/2022 21:56

Here's the Warwick students' newspaper's report: web.archive.org/web/20220528141307/theboar.org/2022/05/lgbt-protestors-disrupt-education-secretary-nadhim-zahawis-warwick-visit/

MagnoliaTaint · 30/05/2022 22:03

'Grace Lewis, Chair of Warwick’s Labour society, told the Boar: “Warwick Labour unequivocally do not support Nadhim Zahawi’s abhorrent views on Trans rights.'

Abhorrent? Oh, no. What has he said?

MagnoliaTaint · 30/05/2022 22:08

okay, I've reread the press release, and highlighted Zahawi's comments:

'[on] Professor Kathleen Stock

“It was unacceptable that a scholar of her calibre should be hounded out of university. For me that was just a terrible stain on the history of that great university.”'

....

'Concerning Zahawi's view on trans students, he said the following:
"Parents have to be front and centre of this. And that is my message to the front line is to say: you have to involve parents in this. You have a duty to safeguard those children and parents are very much part of that."'

...

'Zahawi has also made very concerning comments regarding corporal punishment [these are not quoted] and has made other transphobic remarks such as using the common transphobic dog-whistle "adult human female".'

This is what they're calling 'abhorrent'? Honestly?

TheBiologyStupid · 30/05/2022 22:14

This is what they're calling 'abhorrent'? Honestly?
Defending a bullied academic and safeguarding children - the bigot was asking for it! ;o)

GoodThinkingMax · 30/05/2022 22:27

ChristinaXYZ · 30/05/2022 20:42

Here's hoping that something actually happens after this - some kind of sanction for Warwick for failing the free speech remit unless some students are disciplined. Until there are sanctions universities will do very little. Places like Reading seem to be the rare exception.

The big danger is that the Tories will use this as another excuse to try to bring in their bill to regulate universities and academic freedom.

This is not a good thing.

I wish Warwick had stood up more strongly in enabling free speech on campus, but after all, this is the university which caved in to lawyers’ pressure on behalf of a group of over-privileged raped twats they had as undergrads there a few years ago.

I have colleagues there and from what I hear, don’t think Warwick cares much about women …

exwhyzed · 30/05/2022 22:28

I've done some very lightweight research into the Albert Kennedy Trust (AKT) this evening based on them being quoted in the press release above as I hadn't come across them before.

What I found was concerning.

AKT is a homelessness charity for LGB+ teens set up in the late 80s to respond to the homophobia still present at that time within family households.

I suspect as with Stonewall the more widespread acceptance of LGB since then has led to a focus on the T as the next cause.

The study quoted had 161 respondents. The vast majority of respondents were seemingly recruited by the AKT social media i.e teens who had an interest because they were already having problems with homelessness. Presumably all the LGB+ teens who live in safe supportive households were unlikely to follow the page and therefore unlikely to respond.

The facebook page is a car crash of telling young T people to be fearful of coming out. To expect negative reactions and to have escape plan ready.

It would be interesting to survey the parents of T teens to find out what their initial reactions were. I would imagine the vast majority was 'shock, large glass of wine and extensive midnight googling' rather than 'violence requiring the teen to move out'.

Pudmyboy · 30/05/2022 23:19

Tallisker · 30/05/2022 20:17

They seem to be mostly women too. What appalling behaviour.

This is what concerns me too, the bulk of protesters do appear to be young women: anyone any thoughts on why this is? Genuinely would like to know!

Datun · 31/05/2022 00:11

I hope he has a serious look at where these people are getting their information. Because it starts in schools.

It must be taken out of schools. It's an ideology, ffs.

And yes a protest leading to assault requires prosecution.

I won't be holding my breath tho. The hopeless inertia of those in a position to make changes is one of the most frustrating aspects to this.

dropthevipers · 31/05/2022 00:14

Pudmyboy · 30/05/2022 23:19

This is what concerns me too, the bulk of protesters do appear to be young women: anyone any thoughts on why this is? Genuinely would like to know!

Because they see all too clearly what happens if you don't tow the party line-Do it to Julia!

Boiledbeetle · 31/05/2022 00:30

Well doesn't that make them look completely rational people, open to thoughtful considerate debate!

I am so bored of this complete inability for rational well thought out logical dialogue with those of differing opinions!

MangyInseam · 31/05/2022 00:46

Pudmyboy · 30/05/2022 23:19

This is what concerns me too, the bulk of protesters do appear to be young women: anyone any thoughts on why this is? Genuinely would like to know!

Young women are more likely in general to pick up on new language trends, social ideas, etc.

They are a majority on campus anyway, and especially in humanities subjects.

But also they are also much more likely to embrace social justice causes on a relational basis and then use tools like social pressure to get things done - apparently this is pretty much the case across cultures. If you think, historically, about something like the Temperance movement, you can see the same impusle in a different form.

Boiledbeetle · 31/05/2022 01:08

I remember getting a masterclass in calm reasonable debate at the tender age of 7 whilst staying with my very very religious protestant, on every church committee, granny

I assume it was an act of rebellion by my mother, mind you, to get me christened Roman Catholic, at least the other granny was happy with that!

Anyway one afternoon just after lunch the doorbell rang and there stood two young American gentlemen with a religious book in their hand and matching name tags. Of course granny being granny, every moment is a teaching moment, invited the gentlemen in. It was dark when they left.

There had been no raised voices, no accusations of one or the other being wrong. Just many many hours of interesting debate and an exchanging of informational leaflets.

Now whilst I don't think granny learnt much that day, after all she could already suck eggs! those two young gentleman did. And I having no skin in the game religion wise learnt a really good lesson in taking the time to listen to the other side opinion.

On the other hand a trip to Tesco with my mother once resulted in the shop assistant in the fruit aisle screaming at my mother because my mother had asked her very politely why the apples were from South Africa? And did they have any from somewhere else as many mother refused to buy them on principle.

A ten minute rant from the assistant ensued with her calling my mother all sorts of things whilst my mother tried to calmly explain the situation as to why she didn't wish to purchase South African apples. Eventually the shop manager arrived and dragged the screaming banshee away!

Two occasions, two differing sets of opinions. Two completely different reactions. Both educational in in very different ways! I know which I preferred though!

BasiliskStare · 31/05/2022 02:08

"the common transphobic dog-whistle "adult human female"."

I find this offensive. I am getting on in years so definitely adult , if I were a sheep I would be a ewe but I am not, I am a biped with opposable thumbs so pretty sure human and I have all the right chromosomes. So adult human female is technically accurate. I tend to use the word woman as it's quicker .

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