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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How language has changed in 6 years

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Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 08:04

Compare and contrast these two news reports, one from today, and the other from 2016.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61477168

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37606726

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MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 15:31

Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 15:25

"we're not actually banishing the word from the English language".
Tell that to the BBC.

Aye, given we're discussing an article on periods that studiously avoids using the word even once, that is a bit rich.

SpindleInTheWind · 22/05/2022 15:41

This is patriarchy at its most blatant as it is male people demanding this , so that they can call themselves women

It's patriarchy all right.

But I think it's more that men want to stop women being able to call ourselves women; so that we are just 'things' or 'entities'. 'Those who birth'; 'those who menstruate'; etc.

Men don't really want to call themselves women. They just want to stop women doing it. For us to be de-contextualised and formless, like blood in a blood bank.

andtheycalledthewindmoriah · 22/05/2022 16:01

334bu · 22/05/2022 08:35

The only change is to the language which links female biology to the word " woman". No similar change has been made to erase the word " man" as transmen don't count as they are female. This is patriarchy at its most blatant as it is male people demanding this , so that they can call themselves women.

I'm totally against trans ideology, but it struck me that whilst what you say is true, the change here is actually to accommodate women who believe they are men.

Transwomen don't have periods, so the menstrual leave for "people who have periods" won't affect a trans woman because he won't have periods.

In a way it's a bit of a hoodwink on these trans activists; 'we are women we are women'

But.. you are not "people who have periods" so you don't get the menstrual leave, which would be an acute reminder you are not really a woman at all.

Another one I spotted was they were going on about wanting access to female toilets. The trans women did not want unisex toilets, they wanted to be allowed to walk into the women's.

But... what they got was unisex toilets. So now they're in with the men anyway.

This is all just a case of them being appeased, but in a crap way that doesn't really affirm them at all, and they are non the wiser. I don't see them complaining that toilets are unisex and not male and female but they can go in the female one.

andtheycalledthewindmoriah · 22/05/2022 16:04

hearmywomanlyroar · 22/05/2022 09:04

Thanks for highlighting, I've made a complaint. Side note - double depressing that it's a woman who wrote the article. What hope do we have when some women so gleefully embrace this bullshit?

The bigger threat is that it's being spread amongst our youth - the future leaders of.... everything, future policy-makers and law-makers - in schools.

If that doesn't stop then there is literally no stopping trans ideology being the dominant ideology.

Then we're really in for it. Then thought crimes become 100% real.

IamAporcupine · 22/05/2022 17:46

@SeldomHere
Nope, I contest the notion that the labels of "man" and "woman" are "sex class", rather than merely socially constructed gender categories built around sex (i.e. not sex itself)

I don't understand.
Are you saying that both sexes can be included in these social categories built around (each) sex?

Scorchedterf · 22/05/2022 17:59

Thank you, I have submitted my complaint.

Scorchedterf · 22/05/2022 18:02

Don’t know what happened there, I was thanking hearmywomanlyroar for the complaints link

SeldomHere · 22/05/2022 18:07

IamAporcupine · 22/05/2022 17:46

@SeldomHere
Nope, I contest the notion that the labels of "man" and "woman" are "sex class", rather than merely socially constructed gender categories built around sex (i.e. not sex itself)

I don't understand.
Are you saying that both sexes can be included in these social categories built around (each) sex?

I don't see why not. I don't see why people need to be socially categorized by "sexes" in the first place.

MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 18:21

A small minority of people may be happy to not discriminate wrt sex, but the vast majority of people do want to know what someone's sex is, whether that be for risk assessment, or for reasons of religious observance, or before considering them as a potential sexual partner, or for medical treatment, or for any of a number of other reasons.

To try and force the majority of society to disregard sex is 1. authoritarian extremism and 2. never going to happen.

Scorchedterf · 22/05/2022 18:31

Gender is a misogynistic social construct used to oppress women and men
It is impossible to change Sex.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/05/2022 18:37

To try and force the majority of society to disregard sex is 1. authoritarian extremism and 2. never going to happen.

Quite.

nepeta · 22/05/2022 18:58

I don't see why not. I don't see why people need to be socially categorized by "sexes" in the first place.

😆

SeldomHere · 22/05/2022 18:58

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/05/2022 18:37

To try and force the majority of society to disregard sex is 1. authoritarian extremism and 2. never going to happen.

Quite.

How is it not authoritarian extremism to force trans people to abide by your rigid "sex binary".

Scorchedterf · 22/05/2022 19:07

SeldomHere · 22/05/2022 18:58

How is it not authoritarian extremism to force trans people to abide by your rigid "sex binary".

Seldomhere, you can’t argue a scientific fact into being a philosophical concept.

Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 19:29

Yep but this article was about periods. Bloody sex binary.

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MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 19:31

SeldomHere · 22/05/2022 18:58

How is it not authoritarian extremism to force trans people to abide by your rigid "sex binary".

Oh, dear.

Look, gravity is not terribly accommodating to people who don't like it. Much the same with the dichotomous nature of sex, I'm afraid.

SeldomHere · 22/05/2022 19:32

Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 19:29

Yep but this article was about periods. Bloody sex binary.

Right, I guess the usual back-and-forth derailed from the original subject somewhat.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/05/2022 21:25

Look, gravity is not terribly accommodating to people who don't like it.

Grin
MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 22:02

I say that as someone who frequently resents gravity for various reasons. Talk about oppressive!

Clymene · 22/05/2022 22:13

Oh dear @SeldomHere

How language has changed in 6 years
SeldomHere · 22/05/2022 22:35

Funny that you mention it.

Do you think gravity needs social and legal enforcement?

How language has changed in 6 years
TheBiologyStupid · 22/05/2022 22:57

MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 15:31

Aye, given we're discussing an article on periods that studiously avoids using the word even once, that is a bit rich.

It did sneak in twice despite the Beeb's best efforts.

Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 23:18

That's interesting as I'm sure it wasn't there at all this morning. I didn't screenshot though.

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MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 23:19

TheBiologyStupid · 22/05/2022 22:57

It did sneak in twice despite the Beeb's best efforts.

Well.

It's been updated. The first archived version from this morning shows that there were no instances of 'women' or 'woman' used at all.

web.archive.org/web/20220522013719/www.bbc.com/news/health-61477168

Don't the BBC usually add a note if they update an article?

MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 23:20

Gosh, if women didn't archive this stuff people might even suggest we'd imagined the whole thing, eh?