Do pronouns feel alien to anyone else?

[janeseymour78]

By this, I mean I have friends who are 100% pro pronouns as a show of support and we've had our debates, and then there are others who say it is unhealthy to reinforce stereotypes, eg. By using them on work signatures

For me though, adding she/her pronouns to everything and even having being asked what they are verbally, she/her feels alien to me in a visceral way. I'm curious about this because I have several friends who don't share that feeling at all.

Im GC and I don't believe people are binary. I have elements of feminity and masculinity that whatever else that form who I am. I know I'm a woman, I have endometriosis so I'm painfully aware, as well as all the other reasons women are made aware of their sex.

It comes down to adding 'she/her' to everything would not feel right to me, as though it didn't reflect me. It would like I was falsely reinforcing my womanhood when I don't live my life that way or feel that way. Am I making sense? Do others feel this way?

Cool, so what's the big deal? Does "being on small/large gamete producing pathway" need constant emphasizing?

Sex is not a sum of components. It's not about genitals or hormones. It's about which of the reproductive roles your body developed to fulfil. Whether you advanced down the pathway more to producing ova or sperm, whatever your individual ability to do so. Sex is about gametes and reproductive role, and it's encoded in every cell. Because we are animals in evolutionary terms, whatever card castles of preposterous sophistry we occupy our privileged human selves with.

It does, actually. Sex is a sum of components, and altering the components that make up one's sex, alters one's sex

Okay you are completely and utterly detached from reality.

It does, actually. Sex is a sum of components, and altering the components that make up one's sex, alters one's sex.
You can change some secondary sexual characteristics. This is not the same as changing sex. If you were born male you will never be female.

What did you say?

Why should whatever is "encoded in our cells" matter in our everyday lives?

Cool, so what's the big deal? Does "being on small/large gamete producing pathway" need constant emphasizing?

Yes. It means you are a male or a female human. Female humans, aka women and girls, have faced discrimination, prejudice and oppression due to their sexed bodies and the stereotypes and expectations around them. By male humans. Glad you get it, sort of.

And when someone digs our skeleton up in 100,000 years, they will be able to identify which sex we were - male or female.

Even if we’ve had a hysterectomy.

Why should whatever is "encoded in our cells" matter in our everyday lives?

See my next post, which I was busily typing.

It does, actually. Sex is a sum of components, and altering the components that make up one's sex, alters one's sex.
You are aware of genetics? Or perhaps not...

It really does appear to have passed you by entirely.

Which part of genetics are you referring to? Chromosomes?

If you got periods for 5-6 days every month you probably wouldn’t ask this question …

Why should whatever is "encoded in our cells" matter in our everyday lives?
The fact that you are even asking this tells me you are either male or a young, impressionable female with little life experience.

And when someone digs our skeleton up in 100,000 years, they will be able to identify which sex we were - male or female.

Yes, with a high degree of accuracy which would be odd if our body types were not connected to being of the female sex.

@SeldomHere because those with XY chromosomes are, as a sex class, generally larger, stronger, and more likely to commit violent crime.

As an XX, I don't want to be around that when vulnerable/naked/unwell/playing sports

Do you think trans women do not face discrimination, prejudice or oppression due to their bodies, or the stereotypes and expectations imposed on them as either "men" or "women" alike?

So you keep on saying that recognizing sex is not important to trans people and women keep on telling you that it is essential for women. So why not concede that sex is relevant and gender not? You do realise that you are making trans people look incredibly selfish with this line of argument?

You literally throw a fit over the notion that some people might use the same words to describe themselves.

How is that not selfish?

Trans women? Oh you mean men.

Do men who have cosmetic surgery to impersonate being a woman need to inform other biological men of this before they have sex?

This does raise consent issues surely. A man needs to know if he’s consenting to sex with another man, and not a “trans woman”…. I.e a man. This could have horrifying mental health consequences on men if they have no idea what sex they’re actually sleeping with…..

Right, violence is stored in the chromosomes, and other bioessentialist bullshit.

Do you think trans women do not face discrimination, prejudice or oppression due to their bodies, or the stereotypes and expectations imposed on them as either "men" or "women" alike?

I think that many trans people face these things because they are transgender and that biologically female trans people face misogyny and sexism like other members of their sex. I don't accept that males face the same stereotypes and expectations that women and girls do.

Anyone else just a tiny wee bit nostalgic for the days when TRA's came on here to tell us that of course they weren't saying human beings can literally change sex and we were just gaslighting/strawmanning/exaggerating to say that that was what was being said.

It at least was less frustrating than this flat earther vibe. * *

Why should whatever is "encoded in our cells" matter in our everyday lives?
Are you really so utterly divorced from reality that you don't understand this?

What is encoded in our cells, our genetics (and epigenetics), has a massive input into who we are. Nurture has its place, but the raw material that nurture has to work on is our genes. If your genes don't tend towards height, even a good diet won't make you tall. Your genes have an impact on your intelligence, on your personality, even on how you stand and move. On the health problems that you are likely to encounter as you age. On when you go grey. On how fertile you are.

My cousin had breast cancer encoded in her cells. That had a pretty big impact on her everyday life for a while (and continues to do so, check-ups and so on).

I was so awestruck by your cluelessness that it took me a while to type this reply, and I am sure some better ones will have popped up already...

This does raise consent issues surely. A man needs to know if he’s consenting to sex with another man, and not a “trans woman”…. I.e a man. This could have horrifying mental health consequences on men if they have no idea what sex they’re actually sleeping with…..

It does, and it's against the law to deceive people about your sex in order to sleep with them. Unsurprisingly Stonewall and other extremist trans activists have long campaigned to change this law.

Cool, so what's the big deal? Does "being on small/large gamete producing pathway" need constant emphasizing?

I'm not really sure what you mean. I was just helping you understand why people can't change sex.