Do pronouns feel alien to anyone else?

[janeseymour78]

By this, I mean I have friends who are 100% pro pronouns as a show of support and we've had our debates, and then there are others who say it is unhealthy to reinforce stereotypes, eg. By using them on work signatures

For me though, adding she/her pronouns to everything and even having being asked what they are verbally, she/her feels alien to me in a visceral way. I'm curious about this because I have several friends who don't share that feeling at all.

Im GC and I don't believe people are binary. I have elements of feminity and masculinity that whatever else that form who I am. I know I'm a woman, I have endometriosis so I'm painfully aware, as well as all the other reasons women are made aware of their sex.

It comes down to adding 'she/her' to everything would not feel right to me, as though it didn't reflect me. It would like I was falsely reinforcing my womanhood when I don't live my life that way or feel that way. Am I making sense? Do others feel this way?

For people who claim you can "always tell", you sure get it wrong many many many times.

Biology doesn’t give a toss about peoples feelings

Oh lovely, thanks. This is a brilliant example of fairness in women's sports being undermined and destroyed - this time by a female to male transitioner who is taking testosterone and beating other women. Funny how drugs can sometimes be 'clean' and can be used in sport, heh? She is competing in the right sex category, but, in this case, using unfair means.

Anyway, this is not really the point. I'm not objecting to others using preferred pronouns if they wish, although I don't think you can actually own a pronoun. It's just that I don't want to be coerced into playing this game.

A brilliant example of how men are intruding on womens sports. Absolute fraudsters.

@Lavenderlast totally agree with you

I think some people can always tell

Some can usually tell

And some people will always struggle to tell, I know it's different but my dad was very confused with drag race...

Spent most of the hour with him going...well that person is a woman and everyone going, no none of them are women...but that one is! Nope!

I think he was confused by the boobs

Sex is a sum of components, and altering the components that make up one's sex, alters one's sex.

This old chestnut again.

Please do link us up to the studies, the original source papers that describe just how male cells convert to be female cells. The studies that confirm that cosmetic changes and artificial chemical changes change a person's sex class.

Please link us up. I am keen to see all the sources that are available.

Otherwise, you are spreading misinformation. It could even fall into the propaganda realm.

For people who claim you can "always tell", you sure get it wrong many many many times.

Anyone find it tedious that posters will post pictures of young people who may have the benefit of puberty blockers as a 'you can't always tell' gotcha.

Firstly, not one person I know has ever said they can 'always tell' from a photograph. So your 'gotcha' is useless from the start.

Secondly, posting a photograph of a puberty blocked male that is a very small photograph and lacks any details is also not a 'gotcha'. You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel there.

And as pp said up page, posting a testosterone treated female as a gotcha can sometimes work as a photograph, but not always in real life. There will be tells, and in particular as people get to know that female, it will become more apparent.

Yes, female transitioners are harder to pick. But keep holding tightly to the belief that most male transitioners in real life will be undetected for long.

Your first paragraph seems to take an emotionally manipulative polarised view. 'Completely'? yes, in some cases. Are we to ignore the actual transitioned males who have told us they support that sometimes sex does matter and give YOUR extremist view more credibility..... and you believe that women should engage with that extremist view in any positive way?

Time to get out of what ever social media platform or support group that supports that view.

I wasn't clear either about what 'rights' feminists are willing to 'burn down' ?

Or are you latching onto the abortion rights issue in the USA?

What specifically are the rights feminists in the UK are willing to 'burn down'.

Please put some actual substance to your hyperbolic and emotive posts and let us go through each and every one that you feel we are 'burning down.'

Otherwise I think we, and all the readers, can see this as an emotionally manipulative tactic.

Although, maybe SeldomHere may be even more seldom here with all those deletions ....

I would love to give SeldomHere a leg-up onto a stallion downwind of a field of mares, and let him explain to the horses that sex is a social construct/label made up by humans/fluid innate feeling/special identity and that it really shouldn't matter what's coded in their cells.

I can only imagine how some posters will be very happy to buy the young rooster chicks for their egg farm. And then wonder why they have no eggs despite telling the growing roosters that being rooster is a social construct .

I’m still waiting for this person to tell me the difference between feminine and female as he/she was conflating the two.

Funny how Seldom can't be courteous and keeps on getting deleted while accusing us of being the baddies. 😂

I can't ALWAYS tell from photos. In real life, it is easier but it doesn't really matter does it? Sex isn't about appearance. I expect trans people to follow rules just like everyone else- are you saying they can't? Pretty offensive to trans people.

Anyone find it tedious that posters will post pictures of young people who may have the benefit of puberty blockers as a 'you can't always tell' gotcha.

To be clear Seldom how about you post up some images of transitioned males who are over 60+ for instance?

Or even over 50?

Why not?

Voice is a big part of it too. Easy to overlook for the Extremely Online. I saw Laverne Cox in a TV programme recently, and it was the voice that almost immediately clued me in. I hadn't been paying much attention to the TV and then I realised there was a strangely deep voice coming out of this new female character, and then I took a closer look and realised she was also towering over the others and so on. It's especially striking on podcasts or radio, when "Mary Smith" is introduced and starts speaking in what sounds 100% like a man's voice.

There was a "biology can be altered" poster on some of the Times comments sections recently. So tedious and so wrong.

I suspect that 'biology can be altered' is the new mantra along the lines of TWAW and no debate.

A nonsense statement which can be repeated ad infinitum against all evidence reason and sense.

Are you at some point going to try to move beyond argument by assertion, and onto explaining why someone should view a transwoman as a woman?

What are you saying makes a transwoman a woman, and why are those wrong who say it’s clearly a man?

I suspect that 'biology can be altered' is the new mantra along the lines of TWAW and no debate.

Oh yes, we have seen it argued that about 3/5's of sex characteristics can be changed.... ergo should be enough to be considered a 'biological' sex change. And also the play on 'biological' rather than mechanical. So some people say of course they are 'biological' women as they are not robots??

The attempt of twisting of material reality goes on and on.

Oh, I know this one. It’s because trans women are men. Men with a psychological condition, gender dysphoria.

Have you read up on the condition in the DSM? It explains it.

Let’s see them walk, hear them talk. Giving a poor quality picture is so dishonest; which you know.

Men do not “pass” in the real world.