All Trans Shortlists?

[pop91]

Hi,
Trans person here.
I've posted here before with a not so great interaction hoping this one won't be so toxic😅

Question relating to All Women shortlists for example in politics and the inclusion of transwomen:

Firstly, I actually agree that trans-women shouldn't be on the normal all-women shortlist in almost the same way I don't think someone who's only got one BAME grandparent should be on an all BAME shortlist.

For me, it doesn't provide the best position to have people not fully understanding of the issues to be at the forefront of tackling them with all the knowledge present. So, for example, Lisa Nandy technically has mixed heritage but experiences life largely as a white person so can't for example tackle colourism as well as someone more visibly BAME. Likewise, a trans woman can't tackle period poverty as effectively!

But I understand that's not the same as the GC position of the trans woman not being a real woman so effectively to be considered automatically ineligible for GCs.

However, on the flip side, I don't believe non-trans people can tackle the issues for trans people as effectively as a trans person could! which is why I believe there should be at least some All-trans shortlists, especially in areas with higher percentages of trans people, like London for example.

Currently, there is only one trans person in parliament and he has only just come out and soon plans to leave politics, likely leaving parliament with zero trans people after the next general election. Effectively leaving trans people with zero national political representation again - obviously from my standpoint that is distressing!

Withstanding the GC argument that Trans people aren't real or that it's all gender ideology and that therefore there is no need for a Trans MP - I understand that is the opinion many here hold however as you will know most Trans people believe their identity to be real and not an ideology, myself included and therefore ask for different answers. TLDR: I know you believe Trans is all ideology but we don't and saying so won't change my mind or further this discussion🙂

So my questions:

1. Would GC's then protest All-Trans shortlists if trans women were specifically not included on the All-women shortlists?
2. Would GC's still protest if it was made clear that All-Trans shortlists would only be used in seats held by male MP's and not already using an All-Women shortlist?

A question that's not strictly relevant but I've asked other trans people and you might find interesting:

1. Should there then be separate All-Trans shortlists for trans men, trans women and non-binary people?

I'll hopefully be getting masculinisation and bottom surgery soon though and feel euphoric just thinking about them

Jesus Christ.

GC's have this thing of telling people treatment hasn't worked when we tell you it literally has - that obviously upsets me as does being called female bc for all intents and purposes I don't live as a female, I live as a male.

One day the treatments will be advanced enough to work far more effectively after puberty but I'm not under any illusion that testosterone after puberty can provide me with only limited benifits. My parents were wrong for not seeking me medical pathways!

True. The discussion about personal circs is not relevant, and I'm guilty of pressing for answers whilst forgetting about the actual person whose life I'm discussing. I won't contribute to that line of questioning from now on.

probably not - can't believe I thought this would be in any way productive :|

I see why trans people stay away from this site.

I'm out OP, all the best to you.

I don't understand? Guinea Pig?

I'm legit just dealing with the hand I'm dealt - If I had cancer I would find any way to fix it - why am I a guinea pig for fixing my dysphoria?

thanks :)

GC's have this thing of telling people treatment hasn't worked when we tell you it literally has - that obviously upsets me as does being called female bc for all intents and purposes I don't live as a female, I live as a male

Trans have this way of saying something and nothing. The only thing all female people have in common is that our bodies are female.

OP while wishing you peace and happiness I would strongly recommend you look at some of the more truthful pieces by detransitioners about 'bottom surgery'. A life of chronic pain and sexual dysfunction wouldn't be on my Christmas wishlist.

What about other minorities.

Autistic people, Deaf people.

why is is always about trans? It’s so bloody boring

I never understand this argument. Trans people are going to argue for trans people, deaf people for deaf people and so on. This isn't wrong or even surprising surely?

I have nothing in common with you!

I have researched a lot!

In the nicest way possible to say this - I want a penis!

This is why I think it would be an own goal.

Also - have many trans people entered the process of selection, how did they fare? Is there any evidence that they're actually being discriminated against?

There aren't whole groups set up saying deaf people are just delusional and that they can really hear! oh and also that they are not to share spaces with hearing people.

maybe it's said more of autism not exististing!

stop talking about us then :)

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This post turned into another dumpster fire like most conversations trans people try having with the Gender Critical.

Tried to find a middle ground and ended with insults and the most personal stuff about my life!

goodbye
:(

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I'm sorry you're distressed but this whole thread is predicated on a misunderstanding. All women shortlists were an attempt to address the gross disproportionate representation of 50% of the population in the HoC, not to address minority representation. Proportional representation is the only way to achieve what you're after. And only if it existed out-of the tribal system we have.

Well in that case, I hope whatever flaccid tube of skin you get makes you as happy as you think it will and doesn't leave you in chronic pain, like the MtF transitioner I know :| Good luck.

@MrsJorahMormont Not to mention Nathan Verhelst

This thread was a load of disingenuous piffle then. You claimed to just be curious @pop91 about how us awful women might think. But it seems you wanted to produce a thread for screenshots elsewhere??

I don't raise my personal experiences much/at all when discussing on debate threads, because I don't generally want my personal experiences dissected. I would recommend that approach in future.

Well, I would object.

I want my MP to listen, read and think. You and others who have come on these boards do none of those things.

Why are you all so obsessed with the phrase "dumpster fires"?

It's code for "you're challenging everything I've hung my hat on about my personal sense of self, which makes me feel uncomfortable, and is therefore wrong" @luciatrope

I want my MP to listen, read and think. You and others who have come on these boards do none of those things.

This. And an MP is expected to represent all of their constituents; even the ones whose politics they don't like, even the ones who did not vote for them.

Oh sweetheart.

I hope so much for you that you get the euphoria that you seek but I wouldn't bet on it. You won't have a penis.

The psychological issues that you have now you will have after surgery but you'll also have the surgery to deal with. Do you follow Buck Angel on Twitter? They speak a lot of sense. I'd recommend following if not already.